Thread: Astrologian changes 6.0

I honestly don't understand all this focus on Minor Arcana. It's DPS is so low that I doubt it will even make a Marginal difference in prog or raiding. Maybe ultimate...but I doubt it.

Obviously it has become a large point of discussion, and it's not even that good. It's literally a button you use every 60 sec. It's 100% job flavor.

Lord vs. DPS skills

-Fall malefic is STILL stronger
-Gravity II is STILL stronger
-Combust is still pretty strong (didn't see the potency changes)

Lady vs. Heal skills
-literally a non-point as every skill AST has is very powerful healing

When people talk about Min-Max this makes me cringe, because SOOOO much of the player base doesn't do this. There are those that do, great. But I think those that Min-Max and try to squeeze so much out the job to preform at a high level only want skills that benefit them at a high level.

Extremes, Savage, Ultimate's are SO choreographed that you say it's unpredictable. That makes no sense if I know exactly what is going to happen if I just memorize the fight. Where it's problematic is during Prog...and getting 8 people on the same page not knowing what is going to happen, but after a week Youtube starts sharing the best ways to clear the raids. My hats off to those that can prog that content, and show us lesser beings how it's done. Truly we should praise them and their accomplishments.

This is unrealistic to think the raiders shape the game, and we should owe them something. No that's just silly. Anyone can see minor arcana is next to useless in a raid, because it is. And to have those that Min-Max say it needs changed because it's to RNG for prog/raiding is just dumb. AST has LITERALLY a million other buttons to press that do the job WAY better. So I don't understand all the focus on it. It's FREE minor damage, and FREE minor healing. This RNG is sooooo insignificant to the game, and to remove/replace or change it would just cause imbalance.

Originally Posted by Sqwall

I honestly don't understand all this focus on Minor Arcana. It's DPS is so low that I doubt it will even make a Marginal difference in prog or raiding. Maybe ultimate...but I doubt it.

Obviously it has become a large point of discussion, and it's not even that good. It's literally a button you use every 60 sec. It's 100% job flavor.

Lord vs. DPS skills

-Fall malefic is STILL stronger
-Gravity II is STILL stronger
-Combust is still pretty strong (didn't see the potency changes)

Lady vs. Heal skills
-literally a non-point as every skill AST has is very powerful healing

When people talk about Min-Max this makes me cringe, because SOOOO much of the player base doesn't do this. There are those that do, great. But I think those that Min-Max and try to squeeze so much out the job to preform at a high level only want skills that benefit them at a high level.

This is unrealistic to think the raiders shape the game, and we should owe them something. No that's just silly. Anyone can see minor arcana is next to useless in a raid, because it is. And to have those that Min-Max say it needs changed because it's to RNG for prog/raiding is just dumb. AST has LITERALLY a million other buttons to press that do the job WAY better. So I don't understand all the focus on it. It's FREE minor damage, and FREE minor healing. This RNG is sooooo insignificant to the game, and to remove/replace or change it would just cause imbalance.

The skill is gonna be almost like he was in stormblood only back then you were forced to sac a card for it. They changed it in shadowbringer for a better dmg card but you still had to sac cards for it. Now they just do stormblood again but you dont need a card. At some point this does get tedious because it looks like they have no clue what they want to do with astro and this skill (like with all the other healer). Cant wait for it to be consistent again next expansion after endwalker. And the second problem is that this skill feels pretty useless on astro because he already has so many ogcds. The heal is just whatever and the damage is also whatever. You just press the button every minuten and if dmg its always up for buff window and if not you gonne use it for people that miss the magic 1 % hp in almost all situations. Atleast make both cards something intresting maybe you know something with time the lore that astro lost in endwalker. I rather want old cards back with no balance and other unique effects because the cards we have now are comparable to normal bread and bread with some dye on it. Also for a rng job why cant i spin the rng wheel 3 times in a row anymore ? Does my character get a hand cramp after doing it once ?. I mean i can understand that i have the same problem after smashing my malefic button 150 times in a run. And also 50/50 is in my eyes bad rng when we had 6 cards to draw before were all maybe were not good but unique.

In all fairness I think astrologian and scholar will both get nerfed in endwalker, due to the sheer amount of utility they both have that's it's legit insane and bonkers that this went ahead

The problem is the community we all know that AST / SCH will most likely be the new "meta" base on the sheer about of buffs they give out to the group, when u compare this to white mage and sage....they get stomped HARD

For me I'm just going to play white mage, cause I smell a heavy nerf to scholar + astrologian, yeah people will play "sage" cause it's new, but it doesn't really offer anything to the party apart from damage reduction only and a shield.....where scholar is like ....jacked up......so is astrologian is jacked up

I like it precisely because of the rng. I like rng. I like the unpredictable nature of the ability because it keeps things interesting and forces me to adapt.

Min makers are why our cards were homogenized and will bring even more blandness to the healers. Please stop. If you don’t like rng go to another class that doesn’t use it

Originally Posted by Yhisa

In all fairness I think astrologian and scholar will both get nerfed in endwalker, due to the sheer amount of utility they both have that's it's legit insane and bonkers that this went ahead

The problem is the community we all know that AST / SCH will most likely be the new "meta" base on the sheer about of buffs they give out to the group, when u compare this to white mage and sage....they get stomped HARD

For me I'm just going to play white mage, cause I smell a heavy nerf to scholar + astrologian, yeah people will play "sage" cause it's new, but it doesn't really offer anything to the party apart from damage reduction only and a shield.....where scholar is like ....jacked up......so is astrologian is jacked up

how...how about buffing WHM instead?

Originally Posted by Aword3213

how...how about buffing WHM instead?

You mean adding more heal buttons for WHM? Because that's what seems the devs view about WHM: it has to remain simple and thus devoid of capability comparable to their more complex siblings.

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

-Sure, I'm probably being a bit too harsh towards Payadopa, I can admit that. Easy to get carried away when you feel strongly about something.

Eh, I don't mind. Being passionate about something is a good thing in my book. I try not to take stuff here too personally. All is well. Haha

To be fair, the one thing that really grinds my gears is the cash shop. x) Urgh.

Originally Posted by Yhisa

In all fairness I think astrologian and scholar will both get nerfed in endwalker, due to the sheer amount of utility they both have that's it's legit insane and bonkers that this went ahead

The problem is the community we all know that AST / SCH will most likely be the new "meta" base on the sheer about of buffs they give out to the group, when u compare this to white mage and sage....they get stomped HARD

For me I'm just going to play white mage, cause I smell a heavy nerf to scholar + astrologian, yeah people will play "sage" cause it's new, but it doesn't really offer anything to the party apart from damage reduction only and a shield.....where scholar is like ....jacked up......so is astrologian is jacked up

But why scholar ? I can agree astro is bonkers because I play it main after I saw how bad whm is in comparison. But scholar ? Chain is ofc a strong cd and does get better with more crit and better gear but for example both sch and sge have there damage reduce bubbles on the same cd but it’s a buff for sage you can’t walk out of it. Adlo spread from scholar is only stronger if you actually do recitation and deployment for a crit spread. Sage has Zoe on the same cd and shield for 660 potency non crit and more then a crit adlo spread in chase of a crit and it’s baseline aoe so no annoying spread from a specific target. Also sage has the fairy cooldown as ogcd for him self, that means no ghosting or a unresponsive fairy. And we will see if sch sprint is gonna be actually a game breaker but I honestly doubt it. Sprint ever minute is enough for almost anything.