Thread: Astrologian changes 6.0

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

I know alot of people are much more excited about the new kid on the block. But I honestly believe that AST is the healer that got the most improvements. Even though Astrodyne and Minor Arcana do absolutely have the potential to hurt the player from poor RNG, it's at least done in a way that doesn't directly hurt their rdps contribution. It certainly does seem the devs where trying to figure out a way to give ASTs the randomness of the old cards without ruining their ability to buff their party more consistently.

That aside. The new tools they have are pretty cool as well, I'm definitely going to be looking forward to seeing how Macrocosmos is used. Exaltation isn't the most fancy tool, but I do love that it and Macrocosmos are joining Horoscope and Earthly star in the "predict the future" style heals they've slowly been getting.

I agree. I will "try" sage, but only time will tell on how I like shield healing vs. pure healing. I think it's a wash when it comes to keeping players alive, but shield healing needs quite a bit of encounter knowledge to be really effective. Which is why i'll level AST first...learn the fights...then move to sage. Maybe.

AST seems to currently be shaping up to be a strong healer and I see no downsides after really analyzing the skills

One thing I'm curious about is if Minor Arcana is a 50/50 chance. All the videos I watched said they couldn't draw a Lord card and it makes me wonder if Lady have a higher chance of being drawn. (Granted, most of posters weren't healer mains, so I don't now how long they stuck playing AST vs trying SGE out)

I really do hope these people rewrite the ast story, aint nothing that hurts me when I see new ast message me asking about things like royal road, time dilation etc, now they gonna probably ask about what is dirunal and noct stance which wont exist.

Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

I really do hope these people rewrite the ast story, aint nothing that hurts me when I see new ast message me asking about things like royal road, time dilation etc, now they gonna probably ask about what is dirunal and noct stance which wont exist.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

One thing I'm curious about is if Minor Arcana is a 50/50 chance. All the videos I watched said they couldn't draw a Lord card and it makes me wonder if Lady have a higher chance of being drawn. (Granted, most of posters weren't healer mains, so I don't now how long they stuck playing AST vs trying SGE out)

. . . You're right.
I hadn't realized it, but I was totally hearing that pattern too.
Yeah, I wonder what the odds are...

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

I know alot of people are much more excited about the new kid on the block. But I honestly believe that AST is the healer that got the most improvements. Even though Astrodyne and Minor Arcana do absolutely have the potential to hurt the player from poor RNG, it's at least done in a way that doesn't directly hurt their rdps contribution. It certainly does seem the devs where trying to figure out a way to give ASTs the randomness of the old cards without ruining their ability to buff their party more consistently.

That aside. The new tools they have are pretty cool as well, I'm definitely going to be looking forward to seeing how Macrocosmos is used. Exaltation isn't the most fancy tool, but I do love that it and Macrocosmos are joining Horoscope and Earthly star in the "predict the future" style heals they've slowly been getting.

I mean astro was in anyway better then whm already. The new abilities just got improve his status in the ogcd no cost 1 Minute up for all aoes department. Like astro is the most busted healer we have in the game (to be fair we have only 3 so yeah………). Also essential dignity is just a better tetra and benediction with less cd, also celestial intersect can crit bension can’t and it now has 2 charges. Also I rather take 10 % dmg reduce and a heal that can crit then 15 % dmg reduce in a expansion were all tank have high dmg reduce possibilities anyway. Macrocosmos is just lily bell with 1 minute less cd. And if the thin air changes do come whm is gonna have mana problems if you use glare a lot. Astro has it all.

Originally Posted by BlueMageQuina

To add to the point that AST build is quite OP on paper, AST can throw cards and use Divination while receiving a new rng Cleric Stance/Fey Wind with the 3rd seal of Astrodyne, making it able to triple buff its own damage output yet WHM still can’t get Cleric Stance back and SCH doesn’t get Fey Wind back either.

AST is also receiving 2 new (AOE) attacks (Macrocosmos, Lord) and 3 heals (Macrocosmos, Lady, Exaltation)—this is before we add into context its attack upgrades on Malefic and Gravity, the buffs I mentioned before, and the fact that it’s keeping Neutral Sect.

Imagine a Neutral Aspected Helios supported with a Celestial Opposition under a Collective Unconscious while Earthly Star and Microcosmos burst at the same time. Imagine thinking your biggest simultaneous heal (Plenary Cure III under Asylum) mattered or even compared. In fact, just let AST solo heal all of Endwalker because its overpowered nature for the nth expac in a row is complete taurus feces.

Sure, people are going to play whatever class they like but honestly why bring a WHM if it’s likely going to have MP issues with its Thin Air nerf, a nerf that will be exacerbated by the PoM buff? Why bring WHM with its deafening lack of raid utility now that Divination has no upkeep?

Also the upkeep for heals on whm is insane in comparison to astro. Blood lily is still a dmg lose in anyway. Lily heals are gcd and the plenary Is just a worse neutral. I actually think the only thing about whm that is better is in some situations wings. But even then you still can just tap the collective button and get free 10% dmg reduce for 5 seconds and a strong hot and it has just 60 seconds cooldown. It’s also like I said macrocosmos is just a lilybell that deals dmg,is a group benediction and has 1 mind less cooldown. And all of that because whm has his beginner and noob healer stigma

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

"Adjust" to what? This is what I mean by players deluding themselves there's a choice here. You just press it on cooldown and it either does damage or overheals, then you pretend you made a choice and adapted and you're a great player. Lady isn't a bad heal, it's practically an Indom, but no good player will plan around a heal that rng might choose not to give you for 4-5 minutes. And AST is all about heal planning and mapping your cd's.

What I honestly don't get about such statements is that we think of a scenario where nobody screws up. I'm raiding myself and people do screw up or the enemy gets a lucky hit in so it's nice to have it.

And AST was meant as an RNG healer from the beginning. If people hate the concept so much (which I understand, don't get me wrong), then there are 2 (soon to be 3) other options available, so where is the problem?

On one hand people are complaining about homogeneity and on the other the second a job deviates even slightly this forum throws a hissy fit.

As an AST main I really like the new changes. Not as good as SB AST, but not as bad as ShB's iteration.

In conclusion: leave it to the players to maximise the fun out of your game.

Originally Posted by Payadopa

What I honestly don't get about such statements is that we think of a scenario where nobody screws up. I'm raiding myself and people do screw up or the enemy gets a lucky hit in so it's nice to have it.

And AST was meant as an RNG healer from the beginning. If people hate the concept so much (which I understand, don't get me wrong), then there are 2 (soon to be 3) other options available, so where is the problem?

On one hand people are complaining about homogeneity and on the other the second a job deviates even slightly this forum throws a hissy fit.

As an AST main I really like the new changes. Not as good as SB AST, but not as bad as ShB's iteration.

In conclusion: leave it to the players to maximise the fun out of your game.

Totally agree with this. If astro is meant to be yugioh rng then let it be rng if people don't like rng then don't play it.
Its my next class to learn after DN up next.