Thread: Astrologian changes 6.0

Originally Posted by Absurdity

It would've been so easy to avoid this nonsense by simply not attaching dps to the rng factor, I really don't know why SE doesn't get it.

So what do you attach to the RNG factor? Healing? Defensive buffs? That brings back to the first point - you still get people still complaining "we can't rely on random utility in high-end content!" and "Extra DPS buffs are always preferred!" which ran rampant in the previous AST threads.

Originally Posted by Mortex

Yes but even stormblood astro had more options what to do with the cards. Now it’s single redraw atleast in stormblood I could royal road the card if it was decent or had king or queen. Now it’s draw get a bad seal then redraw once and still a bad seal. Also astro has no mana problem expect if the entire party dies 5 times or so. Having so many ogcd heals on a minute cd make him still the most mana efficient heal in the game.

Yeah, I agree it's kind of plain because there's not a lot of flexibility in options. Currently, Astro has no MP problem because 5.3 patch overtuned our MP by reducing MP cost of all skills and gave us a lot more MP regen on Draw (8% per 30 secs, sleeve draw giving another 8%).

If anything, MP economy of AST is still roughly the same as it is in 5.5, but the MP gain just moved around a bit. Draw is now 5% MP per 30 secs, and Minor Arcana no longer gives MP in exchange for Astrodyne guaranteeing MP regen every 90 secs, with generally higher odds to get 2 signs and a faster recast speed on Malefic.

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

"Adjust" to what? This is what I mean by players deluding themselves there's a choice here. You just press it on cooldown and it either does damage or overheals, then you pretend you made a choice and adapted and you're a great player. Lady isn't a bad heal, it's practically an Indom, but no good player will plan around a heal that rng might choose not to give you for 4-5 minutes. And AST is all about heal planning and mapping your cd's.

Referring to Draw's 'adjust' with redraw only having one charge per draw for Astrodyne sign, so you gotta deal with what signs you get. Even then, it's not much of an adjustment since Astrodyne is basically a DPS buff beyond 1 sign, compared to AST Stormblood iteration's draw - where cards have a lot more flavor.

As for Minor Arcana, Yeah, players won't rely on RNG heals in a controlled environment. I agree that it's currently an issue where you can't control whether you get Lord or Lady unless there's a guarantee to get the other in the next Minor Arcana use. Even if there's a guarantee, there's no charge system for Minor Arcana, so you would want to use it on cooldown to get more Lord of Crowns due to sharing a DPS resource. As it stands, Lady of Crowns's usage is more likely used in DF for casual content in case everything goes radically wrong and the healer needs to adjust their healing strategy on the fly after dying due to the stat penalty.

Originally Posted by Sqwall

Celestial intersection now has a trait for TWO charges....I love this skill and it has always had me wishing I could use it on myself when in danger...but it's usually on CD. Now I can. THANKS!

Yooo I just learned about this!
Diurnal Celestial Intersection is a very fun skill and I'm super happy I now have a second flexible use I can chuck out~

I wonder if casting it twice will give a larger shield? Or just reapply the initial shield...

Heh heh those tanks'll feel like nothing is hitting em~
PLD won't even need Holy Shelltron~

They basically gave me everything I asked for, and now the world is mine. Mine!



seriously though, I am so effin stoked for AST!

Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Because people wanted to "draw and deal with what you have, and then adjust if you don't have the thing you need," like old Stormblood AST while others wanted guaranteed DPS buffs and more controlled RNG. The randomness of the RNG was a very popular reason to why people played AST.

This is taken very literally. DPS card buffs stay, divination gets changed, so this is always good for guaranteeing rDPS increase.

The AST 'flavor' with the cards is basically this RNG buff with Astrodyne. The additional DPS buffs from Astrodyne would be great, but not mandatory. It's a lot better than say, for example, having the effects of damage mitigation tied to the effect that you can't guarantee drawing.

While there are certainly better ways to implement the RNG flavor, this is still pretty good to have. Astrodyne will also always guarantee MP regeneration, so there's no problems with MP even if your RNG is terrible. Just think of Astrodyne as RNG DPS procs like other jobs, except on a longer duration.

Yes but even stormblood astro had more options what to do with the cards. Now it’s single redraw atleast in stormblood I could royal road the card if it was decent or had king or queen. Now it’s draw get a bad seal then redraw once and still a bad seal. Also astro has no mana problem expect if the entire party dies 5 times or so. Having so many ogcd heals on a minute cd make him still the most mana efficient heal in the game.

Am confused for the people who do not sound happy about endwalker card system, are you guys saying you would prefer stormblood system back(which I love the best and would not mind) or this current boring shadow bringers system be kept and dont want end walker card system?

Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

Am confused for the people who do not sound happy about endwalker card system, are you guys saying you would prefer stormblood system back(which I love the best and would not mind) or this current boring shadow bringers system be kept and dont want end walker card system?

While I loved the Stormblood cards and it's gameplay it offered to AST. I know now that you were pretty limited on what you could use in Stormblood do to Balance being the only real choice. Shadowbringers just gave us balance for every Draw, and removed the "Damn, I didn't get a Balance!". Now it's basically...."Spire...where's the BLM?" "Ugh, I need a solar...redraw. Oh there it is. Balance huh? Where you at DRG?"

The RNG is still there, but it's based on party makeup. Like I said before Balance was always king in the past. Now we have it...all the time.

People loved the AOE of spire/ewer with a Balance spread. Well Shadowbringers gave us Divination. That is literally the same thing, but now you have a little RNG attached to Divination with seals. Endwalker removed this and just made it a strait buff button...Divination is LITERALLY Balance/AoE now.

Astrodyne is 100% personal now, and AST is better off this way. The RNG is contained to your personal DPS, and no longer hinders the parties damage output. Throw your cards right and watch your seals....nothing really changed there...just astrodyne is personal DPS now. The MP regen and haste is great I think...which will push me to Malefic/Gravity more.

The Lord/Lady is basically harmless RNG. It gives that stormblood flavor back, while giving the minor arcana an actual use. Shadowbringers made Minor arcana trivial, and even more so when they changed sleeve draw to grant that seal you were missing.

Did I prefer the RNG from Stormblood...ehhh. Yes and No. Yes I liked the thrill of the roll of the dice. But I hated that all I was looking for was balance. That's all anyone wanted. Nobody cared that spear granted 10% crit chance. Or arrow granted 15% recast timer reduction. "GiVe Me BaLaNcE TiMe MaGe!"

Now i'm free to throw out w/e I want and not feel obligated to fish for balance. AST really did get the best of both worlds here.

Originally Posted by Sqwall

While I loved the Stormblood cards and it's gameplay it offered to AST. I know now that you were pretty limited on what you could use in Stormblood do to Balance being the only real choice. Shadowbringers just gave us balance for every Draw, and removed the "Damn, I didn't get a Balance!". Now it's basically...."Spire...where's the BLM?" "Ugh, I need a solar...redraw. Oh there it is. Balance huh? Where you at DRG?"

The RNG is still there, but it's based on party makeup. Like I said before Balance was always king in the past. Now we have it...all the time.

People loved the AOE of spire/ewer with a Balance spread. Well Shadowbringers gave us Divination. That is literally the same thing, but now you have a little RNG attached to Divination with seals. Endwalker removed this and just made it a strait buff button...Divination is LITERALLY Balance/AoE now.

Astrodyne is 100% personal now, and AST is better off this way. The RNG is contained to your personal DPS, and no longer hinders the parties damage output. Throw your cards right and watch your seals....nothing really changed there...just astrodyne is personal DPS now. The MP regen and haste is great I think...which will push me to Malefic/Gravity more.

The Lord/Lady is basically harmless RNG. It gives that stormblood flavor back, while giving the minor arcana an actual use. Shadowbringers made Minor arcana trivial, and even more so when they changed sleeve draw to grant that seal you were missing.

Did I prefer the RNG from Stormblood...ehhh. Yes and No. Yes I liked the thrill of the roll of the dice. But I hated that all I was looking for was balance. That's all anyone wanted. Nobody cared that spear granted 10% crit chance. Or arrow granted 15% recast timer reduction. "GiVe Me BaLaNcE TiMe MaGe!"

Now i'm free to throw out w/e I want and not feel obligated to fish for balance. AST really did get the best of both worlds here.

Yes, you got the point. It's RNG that doesn't harm the basic functionality of the job. It's also quite silly to say "RNG punishes you!" Hello? That's the point. RNG/gambling is only fun when you can lose, shocking.

Originally Posted by rewd

Yes, you got the point. It's RNG that doesn't harm the basic functionality of the job. It's also quite silly to say "RNG punishes you!" Hello? That's the point. RNG/gambling is only fun when you can lose, shocking.

Yes I agree. I can't wait to get my hands on Endwalker AST.

I know alot of people are much more excited about the new kid on the block. But I honestly believe that AST is the healer that got the most improvements. Even though Astrodyne and Minor Arcana do absolutely have the potential to hurt the player from poor RNG, it's at least done in a way that doesn't directly hurt their rdps contribution. It certainly does seem the devs where trying to figure out a way to give ASTs the randomness of the old cards without ruining their ability to buff their party more consistently.

That aside. The new tools they have are pretty cool as well, I'm definitely going to be looking forward to seeing how Macrocosmos is used. Exaltation isn't the most fancy tool, but I do love that it and Macrocosmos are joining Horoscope and Earthly star in the "predict the future" style heals they've slowly been getting.