Thread: Media Tour - 6.0 Monk Changes feedback

If you change the animation and the skill name and the way it functions it's literally not even the same skill. That's not fixing Anatman, that's just removing it and replacing it with something else. Which is not even a bad idea, frankly. Monk doesn't particularly need a downtime skill anymore and it's hard to imagine a good one short of just copying Soul Sow from Reaper. If they were to just add another rotational skill though I'd rather it be something that fits in the long stretches of filler Monk now has between its burst windows, rather than just an extra blitz that you end up squeezing into those burst windows anyway.

But they're not gonna be adding new skills or drastically revamping animations and the like mid expansion, so if we're going to have Anatman it'd be nice if it at least did something useful that fits its whole vibe.

Right now Monk has two glaring issues. The long pre-pull timer to sync up with burst phases and Anatman being functionally useless.

Whats super annoying is that one problem could solve the other very nicely. Just stick Anatman on a 3 min CD and allow it reset PB cool down when activated

Job done

Originally Posted by PangTong

I've seen so many people suggest this but I don't think they've really thought it through. En Avant works for 2 reasons. One, because it's on a ranged class which means it doesn't really matter where you end up after you use it, it doesn't affect your ability to attack. And Two, En Avant is only 10 yalms.

If Thunderclap were a 20 yalm forward dash, you would constantly be teleporting yourself off ledges, into mechanics and death walls. 20y is just much harder to aim since the slightest difference in angle is magnified over a greater distance, and the additional length is harder to judge. And secondly, when you want to use it to return to the boss, you'd better hope that you are exactly 20y away or else you are just going to teleport straight through and out of range again.

Being targeted just makes more sense. If you don't want to target party members then fine, that's just how Shoulder Tackle works now. I doubt it'll ever be required, but making it targeted on party members is overall actually a lot more versatile than it being a forward dash like En Avant.

I have thought it through, and I suggested a copy of a skill which actually does work. I never gave a distance to how far Thunderclap should let you move if it functioned the same way as En Avant, you're the one that said it would send us 20 yalms and would make monks drop themselves off cliffs. I would assume the specifics for distance would be something the developers would test out and balance accordingly.

My entire point is that for console players, having to target a party member to use a skill that exists so you can squeeze in an extra attack and greed some damage defeats the purpose as it would take you enough time that trying to do so would end up killing you. There's not enough time to go to the part list and select the person you need and then use that skill in that situation. You might have well just moved out of the point blank attack. Yes it still works the same as does shoulder tackle to get back to an enemy, but that's because as a DPS, you always have the boss (in a raid situation) targeted. There's no target switching needed.

My point is that Thunderclap as they implemented it isn't a very good skill for a large number of players. And to be honest, most of the movement skills are. Shukuchi has the same problem of being too time consuming to use to be worth it.

Originally Posted by PangTong

En Avant works for 2 reasons. One, because it's on a ranged class which means it doesn't really matter where you end up after you use it, it doesn't affect your ability to attack. And Two, En Avant is only 10 yalms.

To be fair, the whole game could benefit from path-edge detection such that a movement skill could be cut slightly short if/when there exists no pathable terrain beyond that point. And with that you have a handful more mobility options suddenly removed of their outlier interactions and made practical.

Prepull PB could be easily solved just by either making PB unusable out of combat, or reducing its duration to 15 seconds. This does mean you don't get Phantom Rush in the opener on on 2 minute windows, but if the job's DPS is balanced for this, what does it matter? If Monk releases and it's doing 10% more DPS than any other job, would you still complain about Phantom Rush not lining up? This is purely a mental hangup that I think people just need to get over. Don't get stuck on numbers.

This is good advice. If a job is already balanced around a given lack of synergy, it merely happens to slightly overperform in light party content, for which there is only the barest difficulty and therefore needs no competitive integrity. Oh no. The terror.