Thoughts of Samurai Changes

[Acece]

Maybe? Thinking the opener will be something like

0 hakaze
1.5 ikishoten
2.5 yukikaze
3.5 meikyo
5 kasha
7 gekko
9 midare
11 tsubame
12 senei
14 yukikaze
16 higenbana
18 ogl
19 kaeshi ogl (this part looks rough actually, not sure there will be time to weave after the kaeshi)
20 meikyo
21 kasha
23 gekko
25 yuki
27 midare
29 tsubame

if it's a 2.14 gcd like we have now, and most raid buffs start at 3rd gcd first midare and tsubame would be first so in raid buffs it would look like this probably
0: midare
2.14: tsubame > kaiten
4.28: ogi
6.42:namakiri
7.42:hakaze
9.56:yukikaze
11.70: higibana > meikyo
13.84: kasha
15.98:gekko
18.12:yukki
20.26:midare
22.40:tsubame
it could go like this or it could be midare before higibana and would be the same, if ogi doesn't take meikyo stacks that would that would probably be the best place to use it.
so it would be like
0: midare
2.14: tsubame > kaiten
4.28: ogi >meikyo
6.42:namakiri
7.42: kasha
9.56: gekko
11.70: yuki >kaiten
13.84: midare
15.98: tsubame
18.12:hakze
20.26:yuki > kaiten
22.40:higibana
so meme sks sam might come back to fit everything in that 20 sec. Also might mean sam might have a mega 2 min burst instead of the one min mini burst and 2 min burst, which is something I would not like.

[Mortex]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 10 kenki worth a lot more potency than the gain from using Seigan over Shinten? If so I can see Third Eye usage becoming a lot more important. Every raidwide, aoe marker, stack or so on that you fail to catch is two missed positionals worth.

It is pretty much because they made your 60 second cd kenki gain button into a 2 minute burst button. So missing 50 kenki per minute is pretty bad and you only gonna miss 10 kenki if you use third eye on cd and trigger it. So third eye will now even be more a skill gab then before between good and bad samurai

[Mortex]

Would it even be possible to fit 2midares, 2 tsubames, ogi, and a hibana in a 20 sec window. I feel like we would need a lot of sks or it'll be really tight.

Actually no think about it meikyo shisui gives you shifu and the jinpu buff if you use gekko and kasha. So you should get the 1 midare up the moment raid buffs hit. If they need 1 or 2 more gcd you start getting too 1 sen for higabana then before the one sen midare into gaeshi then get the 1 sen into higabana, then meikyo again into midare and gaeshi into ogi / gaeshi ogi. It’s gonna be a bit tight but should be possible without high skill speed.

[Kahnom]

So overall do you guys think 6.0 changes will make samurai smoother or worse? I've been reading all the posts and info and can't really tell. Shb opener could use some work but overall the class feels good outside of some mechanics requiring a reset.

Let's see:
Stormblood - the numbers of GCD and OGCD we have to press are ideally balance, not too bloat, not too less.This is why SAM's gameplay in SB was good.
Shadowbringers - A lot of OGCD added that almost feel bloat but that's not the problem.The problem is Tsubame-line-up. It's strictness is kinda opposing of SAM's fluid gameplay, so as a result, it makes the job less flexibility.
The Bad part is since Tsubame is highest damage GCD we've gotl, we have to adjust everthing around it and that make the job, as a whole, even less fluid.
To be honest, if you don't do savage, you don't have to do Tsubame-line-up but don't be surprised if you can't beat skilled MCH's dps, let alone BLM.
Hell, you probably lose to skilled DRG's dps.

In Endwalker, they remove seigan and no meditation stacks from Tsubame any more so less shoha to press but add Tsubame a charge instead and that makes the line-up problem gone for good.
we have more GCD to press from Oni Nigiri-something but that's 2 mins CD so it 's not really a part of the core rotation.

Now to answer your question, For me, Endwalker SAM will be more smooth to play than ShB for sure but will it be as good as SB ?
To answer that we have to play the job in various contents before making a decision.
But one thing for sure, SAM ain't evolved in this expansion.

[Brownondorf]

why couldn't they just get rid of Third eye seriously? This is THE skill i wish they would delete, it adds nothing to sam's gameplay. Worse, the new one will encourage people to stand in AOEs.
People currently dont stand in AOEs for Seigan because, well, most people have no idea that it is a bit better than shinten, but with the new third eye, they'll see the 10 kenki gain and that will motivate them to stand in AOEs...
Truly this is the one thing that made me facepalm about the new sam. Why SE???

[Acece]

why couldn't they just get rid of Third eye seriously? This is THE skill i wish they would delete, it adds nothing to sam's gameplay. Worse, the new one will encourage people to stand in AOEs.
People currently dont stand in AOEs for Seigan because, well, most people have no idea that it is a bit better than shinten, but with the new third eye, they'll see the 10 kenki gain and that will motivate them to stand in AOEs...
Truly this is the one thing that made me facepalm about the new sam. Why SE???

Almost all the new raids give damage down instead of a vuln up, its probably not going to be a problem.

[Acece]

So overall do you guys think 6.0 changes will make samurai smoother or worse? I've been reading all the posts and info and can't really tell. Shb opener could use some work but overall the class feels good outside of some mechanics requiring a reset.

It's probably going to still be fun, it could become very stagnant if Sam has to hold tsubsme for two min bursts.l which it probably won't but we'll see.

[Arkdra]

why couldn't they just get rid of Third eye seriously? This is THE skill i wish they would delete, it adds nothing to sam's gameplay. Worse, the new one will encourage people to stand in AOEs.
People currently dont stand in AOEs for Seigan because, well, most people have no idea that it is a bit better than shinten, but with the new third eye, they'll see the 10 kenki gain and that will motivate them to stand in AOEs...
Truly this is the one thing that made me facepalm about the new sam. Why SE???

3rd eye rules, it's one of the coolest skills that sam has. It's the closest rendition you can get to a parry in an MMO and I am looking forward to getting more kenki now. If it makes you feel better though, I'm not planning to start chilling out in avoidable aoe's any time soon.

[Gemina]

Overall thoughts put simply are:
Why Shoha 2?
Seigan was like a parry. It will be missed
"I am SAM, I specialize in double Iaijutsu, not flashy finishers." *sigh*
AF chest piece will clip my hair. Bummer.

What I got excited about the most was QoL changes with AoE, which is actually a pretty big deal as it was also my biggest gripe. Should still be a solid choice, and I will adapt to the changes.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

First, the removal of Seigan and Merciful Eyes isn't a huge deal.

It hurts sustain in deep dungeon solo runs, which is a big thing for a lot of people. Melee DPS in general has it rough there, but SAM without the heal is extra squishy.