Thoughts of Samurai Changes

[Kazimere]

Yeah, I don't know if we're getting out of the strict rotation bubble. Tsubame Midare isn't richocet/gauss round. We miss a Tsubame in a raid window and our dps is tanked. If it works out that you can get both stacks under raid windows then we're back to a strict rotation, plus or minus a GCD.

[PangTong]

Yeah, I don't know if we're getting out of the strict rotation bubble. Tsubame Midare isn't richocet/gauss round. We miss a Tsubame in a raid window and our dps is tanked. If it works out that you can get both stacks under raid windows then we're back to a strict rotation, plus or minus a GCD.

Naturally it'll be better to get Tsubame in raid windows. What the charge system prevents is drifting those cooldowns out of raid buffs for the rest of the fight. Right now if you have to delay your Tsubame even just by 1 GCD, then every Tsubame after that will also be delayed by 1 GCD (or more). That's why the strict loop is so important. But now Tsubame keeps cooling down even while you're sitting on one charge, so it's massively less strict. You can delay it a little and it won't mess up the next window. Same thing for Meikyo. The only thing you have to keep on a perfect loop now is Ikishoten, but that's not a huge deal since you can press it pretty much on cooldown as long as your kenki is <=50, it doesn't have other requirements to extract max DPS like Tsubame and Meikyo do.

[Kazimere]

We shall see. Like I said, Tsubame is far more potency than a lot of the other stack abilities. I think Raiten is the only thing that even comes close. If it is possible to get them both under raid windows, then it is going to be a massive hit to let one drift outside. I suspect we will just use Tsubame a lot like Mudras going forward. Burn them all in windows, and then let both recharge for the next window. I can see the prepull shenanigans coming now, just so we can get both charges inside all raid windows. Yahoo.

[PangTong]

We shall see. Like I said, Tsubame is far more potency than a lot of the other stack abilities. I think Raiten is the only thing that even comes close. If it is possible to get them both under raid windows, then it is going to be a massive hit to let one drift outside. I suspect we will just use Tsubame a lot like Mudras going forward. Burn them all in windows, and then let both recharge for the next window. I can see the prepull shenanigans coming now, just so we can get both charges inside all raid windows. Yahoo.

I doubt stocking charges will happen because doing 2 tsubame midares, a higanbana refresh, AND Ogi Namikiri is at minimum, 15 GCDs. 3 GCDS to get the 3 Sen under Meikyo, 1 for Midare, 1 for Tsubame, another set of that to use the second charge, two GCDs to get 1 Sen for Higanbana, 1 for Higanbana itself, and then 2 GCDs for Ogi Namikiri + Kaeshi Namikiri. Even if you set it all up perfectly so that you go into raid buffs with 3 Sen already stocked, the absolute minimum amount of GCDs required to get everything out is 11. There's no way you can do that in 15 seconds and even 20 seconds would require an absolutely bananas amount of Skillspeed, which I seriously doubt will be worth melding for (and might not even be possible, you'd need a <2.00s GCD). It's not only way simpler but probably more optimal to just use 1 Tsubame charge on each minute window under Trick (thereby also letting you get an extra Gekko/Kasha/Yukikaze under trick), rather than meld nutty amounts of skillspeed and do extremely strict loops just to maybe catch 1 extra Tsubame in the few 20s buffs that exist.

[Kazimere]

You're probably right, but you and I both know if the ten pound brains can make it happen, then it's gonna happen. Don't get me wrong, I am all for the charges on Meikyo and Tsubame. I just don't think we're gonna get SB levels of flexibility. Tsubame is what took that away, and adding charges isn't going to completely give that back.

Of all the changes/additions to Samurai, Meikyo and Tsubame getting charges ain't one of the negative ones. The AoE Yuki and AoE Shoha are just dumb and lazy.

[Kahnom]

They reduce SAM's ogcds but add more GCDs in SAM rotations.
Additionally, we don't need to deal with Tsubame-line-up BS anymore.
This change will get SAM more flexibility like SB SAM which has more fluid gameplay than ShB.

[Duskane]

Damage is easily addressed by buffing potencies.

People don't stand in fire for Seigan, they won't do it in Endwalker. The rdps loss if you require a healer GCD isn't worth it.

It looks like a return to SB SAM without the strict loop thanks to Tsubame and Meikyo being on charges.

well seigan cost kenki so its not always worth it right?
while a samurai face pulling a boss with new third eye gives them another kaiten in the opener

[Kahnom]

well seigan cost kenki so its not always worth it right?
while a samurai face pulling a boss with new third eye gives them another kaiten in the opener

Seigan do more damage than Shinten, kenki-wise so its worth it.
Face pull ? That will disrupt the pace of the group and no one want that, you’re the tank, you should know the important of pacing more than anyone.

[Duskane]

Seigan do more damage than Shinten, kenki-wise so its worth it.
Face pull ? That will disrupt the pace of the group and no one want that, you’re the tank, you should know the important of pacing more than anyone.

exactly why third eye change is odd it promotes play like this since it adds another kaiten in the opener
just theory stuff right now anyway

[Mortex]

Samurai gets a way more easy opener with meiyko giving the buffs from jinpu and shifu. Also samu has now the highest potency opener in the entire game and that’s without taking the 13 % from his own buff into account. Without his own buff his burst opener rotation has over 10000 potency in it, that’s pretty bonkers. And yes kaeshi doesn’t give you a meditation stack but they also buffed it from 400 too 580 and kaeshi is 2 stacks every 2 minutes so we lose 1 stack every 2 minutes and ogi gives you atleast 1