Add back heavy thrust yes or no?

[A_Certain_Lalafell]

Do you think adding back heavy thrust would solve the problem of losing damage up on aoe pulls? Or should we keep asking the devs to have the aoe combo refresh it?

I personally dont think it would be to much of an issue regarding button bloating since botd is becoming passive in Endwalker. What do you guys think?

[aveyond-dreams]

1000 times no. Dragoon is already busy enough.

[Darkpaw]

Can we just in general stop asking for old outdated actions back?

Drk is never getting scourge back
Mch is never getting grenado shot back
Drg will never have heavy thrust again nor should it

Old abilities are just that. Old, tired, outdated, and if they had any place left in the current game build it would be in the game. It’s not. Therefore it’s extraneous, therefore there’s no reason to discuss it.

[Ultaniku]

I mean I can give you some abilities being older etc etc, but grenado shot was amazing and you can’t tell me otherwise. Its animation was 1000% better than spread shot.

[Beddict]

Also Wide Volley > Quick Nock any day of the week.

[Jukebox12]

i miss scourge and fracture

[CKNovel]

Can we just in general stop asking for old outdated actions back?

Drk is never getting scourge back
Mch is never getting grenado shot back

I'd gladly trade Spreadshot for Grenado shot.
And if we can trade Salted Earth/Abyssal Drain for Scourge...

[Eloah]

Can we just in general stop asking for old outdated actions back?

Drk is never getting scourge back
Mch is never getting grenado shot back
Drg will never have heavy thrust again nor should it

Old abilities are just that. Old, tired, outdated, and if they had any place left in the current game build it would be in the game. It’s not. Therefore it’s extraneous, therefore there’s no reason to discuss it.

Just because an ability is old/removed doesn't mean it was bad. It just didn't fit into the devs ideas for the job as they were moving forward.

Scourge on DRK was a good skill. But because they were "removing" DoTs as a whole from most jobs, it was axed. Heavy Thrust however was horrible, as it wasn't part of a combo and couldn't be refreshed "naturally".

While the devs usually have a "vision" about how jobs should be played, it's usually the players that solidify what works and what doesn't. One of the more notable examples was One Ilm Punch from Monk. The devs tried to make it work, but eventually realized it had no place, as the player base had been saying for several expansions.

Sadly there are still some examples of Skills that the devs are trying to "keep", for whatever reason: Dissipation, Fluid Aura, Blizzard II, Sleep, etc. Some of these are being addressed in 6.0, but how many? Just remember a skill that is used sparingly isn't outright bad, and a skill used frequently doesn't mean it's good.