Square Enix should really address dungeon loot drops...

[HappyHubris]

I agree with this 100%. There's a level 60 set I wanted to grab for my WHM glamour. 40+ runs later, I gave up on completing it. And I didn't get the hat or chest until that very last run.

[ForteNightshade]

Square enix.

How do they benefit? If I'm unsyncing Swallowing Compass for UCoB boots. I've providing no queues for players trying to get through Stormblood dungeons and it takes maybe 5-10 to blitz through everything. So it isn't like they're getting extra sub time since I'll inevitably get what I want. Not to mention, I had no intention of unsubbing to begin with since I'd obviously be doing UCoB otherwise... why am I farming the gear.

There is literally zero benefit to this system. What further defeats your argument is they specifically changed Leveling dungeon drops to address this very same complaint. Likewise, Savage's page system is another RNG mitigator. Hell, the whole coffer system is intended to prevent players from getting useless drops.

You're trying to attach some arbitrary value to grinding a dungeon 150 times. There is nothing rewarding about this nor is making it so you're eventually guaranteed the drop after 12 runs (Leveling) or say 50 (Tokens) making it "too easy." A carrot on a stick only works if people feel they have a chance. One of the primary reasons PvP mounts never works is the reward simply wasn't worth both the time investment and the very narrow restrictions; with the odds far higher you'll put in all that time for nothing.

[Izscha]

How do they benefit? If I'm unsyncing Swallowing Compass for UCoB boots. I've providing no queues for players trying to get through Stormblood dungeons and it takes maybe 5-10 to blitz through everything. So it isn't like they're getting extra sub time since I'll inevitably get what I want. Not to mention, I had no intention of unsubbing to begin with since I'd obviously be doing UCoB otherwise... why am I farming the gear.

There is literally zero benefit to this system. What further defeats your argument is they specifically changed Leveling dungeon drops to address this very same complaint. Likewise, Savage's page system is another RNG mitigator. Hell, the whole coffer system is intended to prevent players from getting useless drops.

You're trying to attach some arbitrary value to grinding a dungeon 150 times. There is nothing rewarding about this nor is making it so you're eventually guaranteed the drop after 12 runs (Leveling) or say 50 (Tokens) making it "too easy." A carrot on a stick only works if people feel they have a chance. One of the primary reasons PvP mounts never works is the reward simply wasn't worth both the time investment and the very narrow restrictions; with the odds far higher you'll put in all that time for nothing.

You're wasting time doing all this because of your greed and wanting to have X or Y, that's the whole point once again.
Does the grind ever stopped you to play ? Nope you're still here and still you'll do grind for stuff that you want -> It works.
I do not attach any value to it, are you even reading what i say or you just answer with something that basically means the same each single time ?
They're here to waste ur time with pixels, rng is good at that that's it it's part of the rules and the game you deal with it or you dont that's the difference between someone that truly wants something, and someone that will cry on forums that it's unfair and they're entilted to have those items for whatever reason.

[ItMe]

Does the grind ever stopped you to play ?

They're here to waste ur time with pixels,

Yes.
It does "stop me to play" because I am not here to waste MY time.

Make something too grindy and I probably won't do it.

Make something designed to waste my time and I def won't do it.

This just means the game effectively has less content for me, and I'm able to spend more time unsubbed the more content I just don't engage with.

And when I do force myself to engage with this, I, like you, don't have fun running a duty 150+ times. And I'm less likely and less inclined to stau subbed for long periods when I've just had no fun playing for days on end.

[Izscha]

Yes.
It does "stop me to play" because I am not here to waste MY time.

Make something too grindy and I probably won't do it.

Make something designed to waste my time and I def won't do it.

This just means the game effectively has less content for me, and I'm able to spend more time unsubbed the more content I just don't engage with.

And when I do force myself to engage with this, I, like you, don't have fun running a duty 150+ times. And I'm less likely and less inclined to stau subbed for long periods when I've just had no fun playing for days on end.

That's you and only you, while a lot will still do it because they really want that glamour. It works for some, it doesn't for others we all have a specific reason to play, if grind or collecting stuff isn't ur thing it will be to others.
It's not grindy to the point that majority stop will stop playing the game because some things are locked behind rng.
Time you dont spend on grind you'll waste on something else, rng and grinding isn't the whole point of the game, but a part of it for sure.
Even with tokens, if you need 99 extremes fights to get a mount that's still a huge time sink.

[ItMe]

That's you and only you,

It literally isn't?
We have 9 pages of people ragging on this system. Even among the small group of players that use the forums I'm not alone.

while a lot will still do it because they really want that glamour. It works for some, it doesn't for others we all have a specific reason to play, if grind or collecting stuff isn't ur thing it will be to others.

And those people will still have plenty of things to grind even if SQEX adds in a system here similar to EX raid totem or alliance raid coin.

It's not grindy to the point that majority stop will stop playing the game because some things are locked behind rng.
Time you dont spend on grind you'll waste on something else, rng and grinding isn't the whole point of the game, but a part of it for sure.

It won't stop the majority from playing, but neither would only having X and Y coordinates on the map.
Z coordinates were added as a QOL to help make the experience smoother for players. I believe a change to the level cap dungeons loot drops would also be a good QOL.
The grind can still be there, just reign it in a bit.

Even with tokens, if you need 99 extremes fights to get a mount that's still a huge time sink.

That is a huge time sink, yes. But you go into it knowing there is a light at the end. Extending that kind of pity system to this content is exactly what many of us are asking for.

[Izscha]

9 pages of what, 50 max players in this forum ?
Do you really think it means anything ?
It doesn't, at all that's one of those thread were just want to vent and they move on shortly after.
Even if each single one you complaining here stopped the game rn, it would not change anything to SE.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Feels like I'm watching a goalpost ballet in here.

[Shougun]

it would not change anything to SE.

Specifically to this issue and it's future, who knows - wait and see I suppose. Speaking generally that strongly seems not true.

SE, recently (this year), had announced how their new gear and in general stat curves would effect the ability for players to do content unsynced (since players wouldn't grow in strength so quickly). There was some feedback to ensure the ability to go back to content like that was intact. In their recent communication to the players they detailed how there would be enhanced echo in applicable situations to ensure you can do such.

It's hard to say exactly what has been taken as feedback and what is coincidence, but there are way too many moments that line up to say they're all as such. I'm confident they do consider player feedback (and on this subject they do some of the desired things, to an extent, already - of course players are wanting for a generally larger more proactive safety net in this thread). Also on this subject before tokens it was asked to have them, looooooonnggg ago. Which they did add, and if I recall WoW did not have a similar as friendly system - one which they have slowly added to and made even more friendly.

"SE doesn't listen to you" I find false. And as for our representation of the game, it's difficult to know accurately given our own perspective (SE would know more, even where we're commenting from, maybe our ages, etc, if they wanted to go that deep), but it is entirely possible to extrapolate in game data and player feedback to make accurate models of prediction. It's not uncommon to determine fairly accurately info about the US from massive fractions of the population, of course the margin for error and what can be determined moving around a lot based on what you're doing lol - 4 people in a forum is not going to be super accurate (but it could still be very valuable feedback). Since they have hired people to translate player voice, and have in the past said they take feedback seriously (spending considerable time taking in feedback, paraphrasing Yoshida), I believe they consider the logic of player's desires not just the 'did it hit my minimum error margin in likes?'). Then of course add in their own desires, as it is their game even if they will lean by our feedback the end result will be their work (so add that into the mix else be like "why didn't they carbon copy my words" and it'd be because... along the lines of doesn't work / reasonability and importantly if it's going to be a game they want to make so they enjoy their own work and have pride for it).

Anyway, tl;dr- I press firm doubt and believe there is logical circumstances to provide massively high likelihood that it's a wrong interpretation (SE listens small and large feedback, and if it can fit / make sense to the team then do actually act upon it).

[RitsukoSonoda]

Feels like I'm watching a goalpost ballet in here.

Hey, a goalpost!

*punts ball through goalpost*

Um... do footballs normally scream as they fly through the air? I don't really play sports... >.>