Square Enix should really address dungeon loot drops...

[Ayche]

No... They explained why it's an issue. It doesn't dye the way they want so the dyeable version doesn't satisfy their criteria. Besides, since their talking about HW drops can easily shift this over to the caster/healer Plague Bringer/Healer sets which can be just as bad to farm and don't have an alternative. Or the Filibuster sets which also don't have a crafted version.

Then there's the highly desirable sets from SB that only drop from one dungeon... Bonewicca, Skallic and Resistance sets. I have a friend that has never seen the Bonewicca Caster body drop in any run of Swallow's Compass they've been in to this day.

I would much rather them just use the existing system of "one guaranteed gear drop for the class you are running as per clear," that is already in effect in leveling dungeons, in all dungeons rather than some token system or coffers. There's still some RNG, but you'd eventually be guaranteed the item within 9-10 runs (if there are weapon drops).

I get that, but I think Maulclaw ought to refocus on how dyes work rather than how dungeon gear drops. We know dungeon gear will always be repurposed in the future as crafter/vendor gear and then usually also comes as a dyeable version. The fact that the original colors of the dungeon gear cannot be really replicated by the dyeing system is part of how much the dyeing system sucks, so fixing that would fix his original issue too. If he could just recolor the vendor gear into the dungeon gear with dyes, there is no problem.

[Rowde]

I get that, but I think Maulclaw ought to refocus on how dyes work rather than how dungeon gear drops. We know dungeon gear will always be repurposed in the future as crafter/vendor gear and then usually also comes as a dyeable version. The fact that the original colors of the dungeon gear cannot be really replicated by the dyeing system is part of how much the dyeing system sucks, so fixing that would fix his original issue too. If he could just recolor the vendor gear into the dungeon gear with dyes, there is no problem.

That is factually wrong though... I can make an exhaustive list if you won't take my word for it that there are tons of unique gear sets from ARR, HW, and SB dungeons (and alliance raids) that still don't have a dyeable crafted analog. And even taking the examples that do exist... there's not any reliable timetable or precedent for a pattern of implementation.

For example... in SB we got dyeable crafted versions of WoD gear and Void Ark gear as part of "end game" crafted gear tier appearances through the patches. Then the final tier of "end game" crafted gear was unique. Then in ShB as part of that same gear cycle we got Dun Scaith gear and then two unique sets. Furthermore, WoD gear appearance was recycled again (with slightly different dye variations) in Mt. Gulg. We still don't have dyeable LotA, ST, Weeping City, Rabanastre, Ridorana, or Orbonne. It's not possible to look at what they've done before and decipher a pattern to discern a reliable timetable for when they might ever be released.

[Ayche]

That is factually wrong though... I can make an exhaustive list if you won't take my word for it that there are tons of unique gear sets from ARR, HW, and SB dungeons (and alliance raids) that still don't have a dyeable crafted analog. And even taking the examples that do exist... there's not any reliable timetable or precedent for a pattern of implementation.

I don't know how it was factually wrong, I doubt you disagree with the notion that dungeon gear will get recycled in the future. Sure, not everything has been reused yet, but that is beside the point and is a fact that we will have to live with. The Ivalice armor sets ... those and the Nier sets will probably be forever locked behind their respective raids.

But as a solution to Maulclaw's problem, FFXIV already has his fourth option inside the game, since the crafted/vendor gear can just be put on market board. It is just sucks that the same model cannot be recolored at will.

[Iscah]

I don't know how it was factually wrong, I doubt you disagree with the notion that dungeon gear will get recycled in the future.

It is factually wrong that we can be certain that everything will get recycled – or whether that it will happen in months or years for a glamour we want to assemble now.

And the dye system would be a lot harder for them to change than introducing guaranteed drops to a dungeon that didn't previously have them. They've turned it on before, for ARR levelling dungeons when they reorganised the loot system in 5.3.

[Rowde]

I don't know how it was factually wrong, I doubt you disagree with the notion that dungeon gear will get recycled in the future. Sure, not everything has been reused yet, but that is beside the point and is a fact that we will have to live with. The Ivalice armor sets ... those and the Nier sets will probably be forever locked behind their respective raids.

But as a solution to Maulclaw's problem, FFXIV already has his fourth option inside the game, since the crafted/vendor gear can just be put on market board. It is just sucks that the same model cannot be recolored at will.

Fair. If we're getting into semantics. However it is still impossible to point at any older sets and reliably determine when the appearances will be recycled as a crafted set in the future. Thus, "just wait for the crafted version" is not a catch all when we might be talking next month in EW, or 2 years later in the next expansion, or 4 years later in the expansion after that, or never actually lul.

And again, while in this specific situation there is a crafted/dyeable version of the gear the OP trying for, they also expressed that the dye version still doesn't satisfy their criteria... so they're willing to settle for base version to complete their ideal glam. So I agree with their sentiments of dissatisfaction. It shouldn't be harder to get an out of date gear drop for glamour than it is to get a current end game mount.