Pulling wall to wall isn't fast enough?

[Fyrebrand]

Go read SillyCrow's original post in this thread, I beg of you.

I did. It was based AF.

Who the heck are you to say that I don't wait for people in cutscenes/need to brb?

Oh, I'm sorry, so you do wait for other players to do their cutscenes?

The argument I was making was that intentionally letting someone die is griefing

When all the group members are ready to play, yeah, it totally would be. But if people are not ready to engage the boss and you refuse to wait, you aren't part of the implied contract of group play. You have willingly waived your rights to our assistance. You can't refuse to be a team player, and expect the team to have your back.

I wait for people in cutscenes, I wait for people who need to brb.

Okay, amazing! Sounds like you are doing the right thing, then! Except, I feel like you only wait if there is some condition at play...

However at the same time I will join the early-puller, because I'm not bothered by it.

Huh? But I thought you waited for people...? So, you don't wait if someone else decides for you to not wait? You don't have any agency? Or, you're just waiting for someone else's bad behaviour to give you a convenient excuse so that at least you're not the only one being bad? Or, you are willing to wait unless the person who rushes ahead is a tank, so you are protected if you decide to abandon the newbie and go ahead...? Sounds like you just do what is convenient for you.

I'm not bothered when people pull while I'm in a cutscene... By the way, I primarily play DPS.

You are free to enjoy the game in your own way and not care about whatever it is you don't care about. But you don't get to dictate what other players should care about or spend time on, based on your own feelings. Again, the cutscenes are in the game. You can't dispute that. You can't hand-wave it away and say "the devs shouldn't have put them there." You can't pretend a player is griefing or playing the game wrong, by allowing the game to happen as designed. All you can do is tell us how impatient you are, how you're not willing to do good by others, how you think your time is worth more than ours, and make up fake dungeon rules you invented about how we all have to skip as much content as possible to cut run time. It's all a bunch of baloney, and nobody's buying it.

[Sebazy]

You are free to enjoy the game in your own way and not care about whatever it is you don't care about. But you don't get to dictate what other players should care about or spend time on, based on your own feelings. Again, the cutscenes are in the game. You can't dispute that. You can't hand-wave it away and say "the devs shouldn't have put them there." You can't pretend a player is griefing or playing the game wrong, by allowing the game to happen as designed. All you can do is tell us how impatient you are, how you're not willing to do good by others, how you think your time is worth more than ours, and make up fake dungeon rules you invented about how we all have to skip as much content as possible to cut run time. It's all a bunch of baloney, and nobody's buying it.

Psst, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the game is more than happy to allow a group to pull whilst an individual is in a cutscene. If the group as a whole is ready and capable of getting on with the boss without that person, the game allows for it.

You can't sit there and claim that your rules apply to one side of the argument but not the other. Your rules are every bit as fake so get off the high horse.

[weebtext]

But you don't get to dictate what other players should care about or spend time on, based on your own feelings.

Right back atcha. You're so blinded by your self-righteousness that you can't see what a hypocrite you are.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Is this seriously a thread whining about potentially causing combat sounds in a sprouts cutscene?

We really are in the depths of pre expansion blues eh? =([...]

This is why we can't have nice thing. /shrug

I think whoever zones in receives invincibility buff for good few seconds, but I still remember some fella zone in at rather unfortunate timing: when Compound goes untargetable to swipe the room twice. The AI picks far NE corner of all places. The poor fella zones in with invuln but the buff was unfortunately isn't long enough. Drop down like sack of popotoes they are.

Anyway, I'm just gonna quote Mighty of my stance as well:

Eh, I think I'm done with this topic. End of the day, if I see someone watching the cut scenes, I'll wait for them. I just consider it a simple courtesy, and if I'm so tight on time that I can't spare that, I shouldn't be doing a duty roulette anyway. But I'm not gonna convince anyone, especially people who outright admit they don't care about other players, so there's no reason to keep spending energy on it.

[Lastelli]

I normally wait for sprouts, but I have to ask: what makes you think that the sprout's right to leisurely watch the cutscene and start the boss fight with the rest of the group has more value than the time of the other 2 players that are forced to wait because of your holier-than-thou attitude? The sprout will probably run the dungeon again in the future anyway.

There really isn't a good and a bad way to do it. People really need to stop getting upset over the most irrelevant things.

[Nishira]

As I said earlier, at the end of the day, who are any of you to me? A means to get my runs done, or a means to hinder them. Either way I feel zero connection and thus, owe nobody anything

This isn’t aimed at you Kolaina, we’ve already established we’re polar opposites in this so no point in rehashing it.

But I felt this summed up so well the issue for me. The mindset above is not how I feel, not how I think, not how I act and I will not be made complicit in it. And that’s all there is to it.

[Lenivy]

Another gathering of bores, talk about something real instead of this made up issue.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

The cutscenes are majority pointless. It's mostly just a boss jumping down from a ledge and roaring.

How about letting the person who has never seen it before decide if it is pointless, rather than someone else deciding for them?

[Kemiko]

Lemme preface this with a, "Be the change you want to see."

Personally, I like watching cutscenes for the first time and I will do so when I'm new. I, personally, don't care if the party pulls with or without me. I will thank them if they do but won't care either way of they don't. I will choose to watch and read the first time and my settings are set to auto-skip after the first time. I enjoy the experience the first time around.

I like to give other people that first time experience too. Therefore, I am willing to wait for the whatever time it takes for the cutscene to occur unless an emergency happens. If an emergency happens, I'm not rushing. I'm leaving the duty immediately. I may or may not even explain myself before I just vanish.

While I am willing to wait, I don't hold anyone else to that standard enough that I'll get my panties in a bunch if they don't do what I do. Would I like them to let the player have their experience? Yes. If they pull without the group, meh. It's whatever. If absolutely no one follows them in, I'll stand by with the group and maybe chuckle a 'lol'. But if people follow them in, well, that's that. It won't end the players cutscene and they're still entitled to watch it if they want. But, in the same breath, the people present are entitled to move on without them if they want.

Is it a courtesy to wait for them? Maybe. I, personally, think so. But it isn't hardcoded thusly in the game outside of two 8-man dungeons. Prior to the forced cutscenes of the two-dungeons I used to pre-form full parties for it in order to allow new players to experience the story and/or a slightly more difficult run of it with ilv sync too when it was later introduced. I knew absolutely no one would honestly wait for those lengthy cutscenes and I wasn't about to argue they should for new players. My first time through it I didn't even participate in any fight because I wanted to enjoy my cutscenes.

Funny enough, I put more of the fault here on the developers than on the players. Players are people and will have differing views on what is and isn't acceptable of someone else to demand of their experience and/or time. A good developer will balance that and, considering the sheer disparity of the final dungeons/raids in ARR, it should've been obvious that story-cutscenes during a dungeon, raid or trial that isn't at at the very start before any combat happens or after the final boss, isn't ideal. In ARR I'm willing to give it a good old pass since they were still feeling out how to set things up effectively. But color me surprised when I was slapped with a lengthy cutscene during the Ivalice raid just before the last boss or another during the Save the Queen 48-man content. No one waited for me in Ivalice and I was fine with that. Funny enough the 43 other people with me in Save the Queen actually did, and I thanked them for it. It's just disruptive to both parties involved, overall.

[Kolaina]

it's obvious that the popular opinion is that people can't be expected to wait and are fine with pressuring a sprout out of a cutscene

But hey, it's alright if you can't wait a little bit for someone to finish their cutscene, it only means that your capacity to wait is inferior to a trained dog, and equal to an untrained one.

You are so dishonest in your arguments. No where did I see anyone say they are pressuring people into skipping cutscenes. In fact quite the opposite was said. I myself stated that the community seems to allow people to watch their cutscenes. The fight may just start while they enjoy said cutscene.

Then you go on to insult people. You’re a real piece of work. No where, do you, in your self righteousness come off as the bigger person. In fact, I’d put you near the bottom rung with the way you approach things so underhandedly.