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    LitheSuxman's Avatar
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    Class aesthetic and weapon selection

    Trying to pick a tank class to play but aesthetic is a major thing for me. I simply could not enjoy playing paladin that they have no big shields (like BIG SHIELDS), Warrior can only use Axe, not trying to offend anyone, I just find other weapon types much more appealing, GB's gunblades are so tiny and buffy like toy swords.

    Which leaves me with greatsword DK, but this is more like a lack of choice.
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    Jobs are all around the kind of weapon that they use, that's the core identity above anything else so yeah you wont get different kind of weapons for 1 job.
    It's not tank-specific either so why does it bother you only with tanks ?
    If that's only for tanks and you do care way too much about it, the jobs aren't for you that's it.
    And earlier in the game's lifespan it used to have different kind of shields the big ones and the small ones with different stats depending which one you had on you, but they gave up that idea long ago.
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    Paladins mostly use regular-sized shields, with a few smaller options. If you're looking for a tower shield, then yeah, you're SOL on that. (Alternately, you can glamour The Emperor's New Shield to hide it entirely.)

    Warriors can get a couple of hammers. Warrior and dark knight also have a scythe available on the Mog Station.

    Gunbreaker weapons are slimmer because they're one-handed weapons with a more fast-paced attack style. It'd just look silly if they had huge bulky gear like warriors and dark knights. A few of them are bigger, though; I like the Deepshadow Manatrigger, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    (Alternately, you can glamour The Emperor's New Shield to hide it entirely.)
    Though that, in turn, leaves you sticking your unprotected arm out for rapid depruning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsiron View Post
    I actually checked lol, they're longswords. Rule of thumb they reach around armpit height (factoring in that the people drawn here aren't standing up straight)
    That's still going to fall into DRK territory, as you're not about to wield a longsword with a single hand. A bastard sword? Maybe. But longsword is pretty strictly a two-handed weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsiron View Post
    They're certainly not shy when it comes to giving others Katana-looking weapons.
    Those are, respectively, a nodachi and two kriegsmessers (or, grosse messers).

    The odds of them adding a dedicated "longsword" Job is close to none, since it would be superfluous, so I don't think this is too much to ask.
    That will depend on their fighting style. A DRK fights nothing like a longsword user, who would tend towards nimble, rapidly-winding movements and very quick, hybridizing strikes. Heck, they don't even fight like anyone who has ever, historically, used a greatsword. They fight like they're wielding overweight, barely-sharpened clubs. (Oddly enough, one of the few accuracies is their resting pose guard, apart from it likely sitting a bit too low for most contexts.)
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 10-12-2021 at 06:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Though that, in turn, leaves you sticking your unprotected arm out for rapid depruning.
    A shield wouldn't do much good against interstellar robots or house-sized dragons or ancient immortal sorcerers either, so it's all about the looks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    That's still going to fall into DRK territory, as you're not about to wield a longsword with a single hand. A bastard sword? Maybe. But longsword is pretty strictly a two-handed weapon.
    I was going to respond to this, but you basically covered it yourself*

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Those are, respectively, a nodachi and two kriegsmessers (or, grosse messers).
    Can't say I've ever heard of kriegsmessers having a wrapped hilt. I'll concede they made the blades straight...er, but one of them drops off Tsukuyomi, I think we can safely guess what it's supposed to be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    That will depend on their fighting style. A DRK fights nothing like a longsword user, who would tend towards nimble, rapidly-winding movements and very quick, hybridizing strikes. Heck, they don't even fight like anyone who has ever, historically, used a greatsword. They fight like they're wielding overweight, barely-sharpened clubs.
    *yeah, pretty much this. Longswords were nimble cut and thrust weapons, hell, even greatswords were nowhere near as heavy or clunky as 99% of media makes them out to be. DRK's animations were actually my first disappointment with the Job, long before I'd get to experience the entirety of its underwhelming skillset, they swing it around worse than amateurs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsiron View Post
    I was going to respond to this, but you basically covered it yourself*



    Can't say I've ever heard of kriegsmessers having a wrapped hilt. I'll concede they made the blades straight...er, but one of them drops off Tsukuyomi, I think we can safely guess what it's supposed to be...
    I've never heard of a sword being classified solely by its hilt wrappings, as opposed to say, its cutting or reach characteristics. Heck, give a kriegsmesser in need of a new hilt to a Japanese swordsmith who's preparing it for a noble. Voila. Wrapped hilt.

    If you meant this in the broader sense of having a over-hilt guard, even that I don't think has ever uniquely classified a blade. The iconic scottish "broadsword", for instance, tended towards the bucket-guarded handle, but you could still find other examples, so long as they still allowed for the same fighting forms (merely, for instance, replacing the added protection on the sword itself with a gauntlet, at which point one merely replaces certain accessible hilt-strikes with grabs).

    Here, I called it a kriegsmesser due more to the styles of cutting a sword of that size, weight, length, thickness, and likely balance would allow. Of course, the RDM will go and swing it like spaghetti anyways, so --as usual-- the actual weapon type ends up irrelevant. /shrug
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 10-14-2021 at 03:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Though that, in turn, leaves you sticking your unprotected arm out for rapid depruning.
    But... it isn't unprotected?
    You still have a shield, you've just glamoured it to be invisible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    But... it isn't unprotected?
    You still have a shield, you've just glamoured it to be invisible.
    Right, but when the point is the aesthetic, and the regular shields seem insufficiently protective but the lack of shield doesn't pull your arm in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Right, but when the point is the aesthetic, and the regular shields seem insufficiently protective but the lack of shield doesn't pull your arm in...
    Ah, I see the point you were making.
    I misunderstood.
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