Living Dead: Problem List

[Cabalabob]

So has anyone seen the skill leaks? I don’t want to go into too much detail cause spoilers, but… I’m in denial that the DRK changes are unfinished… and living dead is of course, untouched. Because if there’s one constant left in the universe it’s the effect of living dead.

[WhyAmIHere]

even saying the verboten is liable to get the thread nuked.

Please reconsider your terminology.

[shao32]

And yet after all this feedback and criticisms we are stuck with this job and its rework. The point I was trying to make is our method is not working, clearly not.

These developers think they know what's best for us. There is enough feedback. But nobody to effectively turn that into something consistent and material. You know? Something that ends up working.

I posted this in another sub-forum but they just don't care about us because the numbers and bank they're making ask for nothing. They have no major gripes. If you're a developer go figure.

They are mocking us. Maybe they've seen the amount of feedback we've given and in return that's their response. Making our lives harder as DRK mains. We've got what we wanted but.. not in the way we expected.

Sorry for the late answer.

The thing is what else we can do? our complains are present on the JP forum in a way or another too, we did our best to make big and well detailed threads to reduce to minimun the amount of potential missundertanding they could have and always have with DRK in particular, we implored to improve the comunication with the comunity to increase the quality of the feedback by having more representatives interacting with us so we don't feel totally and at the end ignored and abandoned, we even created a megathread and try to redirect every DRK complain there to mimic JP players feedback structure in hope to get better results, we did more than any other job who just need make a small thread and a few post to get the fixes they wanted/need and in long term better designed jobs, we can't do more.

At the end of the day if the Devs just choose to don't listen and go cheap on DRK there is nothing we can't do, they have the final word , we can't just put a gun on they heads and make them give us the same dedicated treatment they give to the other jobs, is not working yeah but we can't make it work either if they don't wanna make it work no matter who good we do it and that's is so sad bcs i consider Yoship and his battle team better than this.

[whiskeybravo]

we can't do more.

You could stop playing DRK. If they don't care then why should you?

Once it's in da grave they'll be forced to address.

[Shin96]

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The only thing that ever works in cases like this one is confrontation. That's impossible though, because we're not streamers with a like-minded crowd, for instance. A company only caves in when their image or reputation is about to take a hit.

I propose people leave in-game suggestions about their frustration with this job. If in 2 years of time things still continue on with this trend, then what's the reasonable solution? Quit the game. Do it for yourself.

What did other communities do when they realized their feedback and suggestions were ignored for years? Correct, they abandoned the game. Why is it so different for this game however? It's a simple problem.

Remember the panel held at E3, if I remember correctly, as to what can ruin an MMO and what it means to be successful. You will find countless contradictions in the statements regarding FFXIV in 2021.

People believe that Yoshi-P and his developement team care about us even in the most illogical of ways. Yes, this man single-handedly works the hardest and I have deep respect for this man, but he works in the interest of his own company.

What does this mean? The higher-ups on the corporate ladder want to see higher numbers, both financially and player-wise. When they task Yoshi-P to translate changes in this game in accordance with the numbers layed out, he'll do what's necessary to transcribe that goal realistically. It means if even a tiny aspect of a large portion is not in accordance with that goal, it will be changed. Indefinitely. This is why they said they'll expand on the 5.0 formula, not the complexity of 3.0, it is not in the interest of the people they're after.

I think your problem is you're stuck in denial, thinking that eventually one day, even a simple change to something like Living Dead would be added. This is not supposed to be offensive to you, but that's a position I was in not too long ago, until things started becoming more clear. Yes LD is flawed in design, but what more evidence to you need they couldn't give a Chocobo's wet arse about what we want, if not invisible to them entirely. If my thoughts are correct about their attempt at mocking us, then I spit on this company and all the money I invested previously. Had you told me back in Stormblood that this is where things would be going, I would have ended things right there. Why even give them the time of my day? It's akin to an abusive relationship. You do anything, but it will always backfire against you.

As for myself, I'm tired of this game and I found plenty of other games to offer me better things in return for my money. I've always felt like this MMO was a huge waste of time, it's only recently I internalized that and started playing less and less. Then couple that with the direction this game is going.. not good. Quitting the game is not only good to yourself but you don't support them screwing you over either. Win-win.

[shao32]

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No offense taken.

Don't propose that, I did that this last 2 years giving my best feedback the best way I could with my limited English skills hoping and fighting for the job I loved and I lost and I tell you it was horrible, moths feeling ignored, live letter after liver letter hoping for some recognition they did it poorly and they would improve the job just to see it was for nothing. It's the most miserable experience in a MMo someone can have and I won't recommend it to anyone, specially when after 2 years hoping they just saved efforts for the next expansion to see they actually make it worse.

I don't respect Yoshi-p nor his job design team anymore, I'm tired of see him saying nice things to just do the contrary of literally none of them include DRK bcs f*** our feedback and feelings, so nice they look in general but they give other jobs what they want and such but DRK have to be the bottom WAR rip-off with no identity bcs idk maybe 3yo kids play the game and I didn't know it. Extra respect to the art team and Soken and his team they are carrying the game right now.

Actually LD is the least of the problems I have with the job and it's more they actitude against the job Wich is pretty well represented with LD. I don't wanna leave the game, i spend 8 years since ARR beta loving it until they decide to destroy everything I love in SHB, heck I even get the collector edition bcs it came with the DRK figure and now I hate it feeling like an idiot, throw so much and quit is so hard to me and to be honest unless Reaper is godsend good when I see the reviews in 2 days I'm actually just quit, I was planning to do it from a year but I keep the fight bcs I refuse to lose what I loved and for my friends, bcs i believe they words about "if they stay and complaing it's bcs they care, if they don't care they just leave" like an idiot.

Oh and please forgive me for the small parts it look like I ranted a bit

You could stop playing DRK. If they don't care then why should you?

Once it's in da grave they'll be forced to address.

Actually Im not playing DRK anymore since SHB, I level it to 80 and leave it, I pick it a couple of times bcs I miss it so much so I was like "maybe I was a bit hard on it, let's give it a try now x time has pass" but i feel worse.

[WhyAmIHere]

You could stop playing DRK. If they don't care then why should you?

Once it's in da grave they'll be forced to address.

this is the only way but it wont come to pass in enough of a stance i feel. some people care more about the aesthetics than how a job plays, and DRK's got them with the greatsword and darkness shtick.
*Hell, just don't even level it! If a significant number of players don't have DRK to 80 by the time the raid drops in comparison to past patches, numbers adjusted to player count, then they'll see with cold hard data "what you think is best for DRK is not what the majority of players want."
Gonna take seeing a massive drop in raid clears on DRK before the devs even start to acknowledge that, guess what, players aren't happy. Maybe stop thinking you know best, or do you wanna repeat what the 1.0 devs did?

[Shin96]

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I can respect that. All of us did what we could.

Things ain't the same since Heavensward. To me it feels like every new expansion you got something more to be worried about. Heck, at this point I'm better off buying Skyrim Anniversary Edition; at least I'm confident knowing it's the same thing with some new additions and nothing's ruined for me overall. It's ironic how I thought ShB was going to be the best expansion ever.

This is what happens if you cater to the lowest common denominator. Personal growth and responsibility effectively cease. Non-gamers like the thought of doing nothing to reap the rewards of a sophisticated job design. That's what you get for living on this planet. Once something cherished becomes mainstream; say your final goodbyes.

Enough of that though. I hope you enjoy reaper, and thanks for your efforts man. Don't think any of us are to blame, trends are trends. They come and go and sometimes they leave a bitter aftertaste. In regards to how good things were retrospectively.

[whiskeybravo]

This is why they said they'll expand on the 5.0 formula, not the complexity of 3.0, it is not in the interest of the people they're after.

Since you mention it, LD is technically a remnant of 3.0 complexity. If we're going to retain anything from that era, is this really it?

[ArthurATDayne]

So this is what I did to make playing Dark Knight and current Living Dead skill tolerable:

Look at your Hotbars, if you see Living Dead, REMOVE ASAP and don't have that Trash anywhere visible on screen ever. Yeah, that's what I did with my Dark Knight, I don't ever want to see that Trash on my character and risk accidentally using that Trash skill.

The OP's suggestion is pretty brilliant and just works, I like it. Upon fatal damage the Dark Knight still has 1 HP and continues fighting for 10 seconds, not bad at all. If I was going to die anyway, an automatic extra 10 seconds of life to spite the enemy is a Quality of Life improvement. Would be nice to survive after getting healed a bit too.