Living Dead: Problem List

[ICountFrom0]

If you want this to actually get seen, you'll have to have a professional translator sit down, make it into Japanese, and then you'll need somebody who already has an account with the proper kind of name for posting there to post it. They can't be new either, needs to be at least a year old of an account with solid reputation.

[shao32]

If you want this to actually get seen, you'll have to have a professional translator sit down, make it into Japanese, and then you'll need somebody who already has an account with the proper kind of name for posting there to post it. They can't be new either, needs to be at least a year old of an account with solid reputation.

The problem is not make our feedback get seen, they see it and know it that's for sure, the problem is actually make them move and do something about it in not a lazy/cheap way, but this is DRK the job they don't care to put more than 5 min of development since has been added.
Even Xenosys vex asked Yoship himself about living dead too on SHB media tour, they just simply don't care at all, DRK has to be the most poor and cheapest job ever designed not only on living dead bcs they say so and unlike the rest of the jobs we have to dealt with this Dev conduct.

[Shin96]

The problem is not make our feedback get seen, they see it and know it that's for sure, the problem is actually make them move and do something about it in not a lazy/cheap way, but this is DRK the job they don't care to put more than 5 min of development since has been added.
Even Xenosys vex asked Yoship himself about living dead too on SHB media tour, they just simply don't care at all, DRK has to be the most poor and cheapest job ever designed not only on living dead bcs they say so and unlike the rest of the jobs we have to dealt with this Dev conduct.

He's right though. They only care about JP players, from what I gathered. Somewhere on Reddit a person responded to how the JP playerbase really likes the 5.0 iteration of DRK. Wether they're right or not, it's very likely to be the case.

They won't compromise with us. Yes it's cheap, boring, and everything in-between, but we should just accept things and move on. We did everything in our power and that's worth something. I have never seen this much love and dedication for any tank. It speaks volumes how amazing Dark Knight is in regards to lore, its own questline and its original playstyle in 3.0, if you have a job of this magnitude it's bound to change.

Living Dead can either be interpreted as symptom of something greater or just the fact the JP players aren't bothered by it too much. Whatever the case may be, shouting into empty air won't make them change things either.

No king rules forever.

[shao32]

He's right though...

oh I don't say he is wrong at all and probably as you say they just listen to JP players but at the same time I'm paying the same money a JP player do so I consider my opinion is should be considered equally as good independent of my nationality but I don't belive that's actually the case with the problem we have here.

I saw too those random comments that say current DRK is like a godsend job for the JP players on Reddit and I actually doubt they are true, mostly bcs on the JP forum they have show clear discomfort about the current design too about literally the same issues we have with the job, they even create a separate thread to ask for Delirium reforms, !a separate thread, on the JP forum!! And a well supported one, here it is:
http://https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/419903-%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%83%89%E3%83%87%E3%83%AA%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A2%E3%83%A0%E4%B8%AD%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B9%E3%83%94%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E9%80%A3%E6%89%93%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6%E6%94%B9%E5%96%84%E8%A6%81%E6%9C%9B

For anyone who don't understand JP they pretty much dislike Bloodspiller spam too and they asked to make the skill a 4 step combo in 1 button including animations like power slash and scourge.

Outside of that I saw them complain about Darkside gauge being useless, to little mp generation and we'll everything we exposed here, so I'm more in the field they have being stupidly stubborn against DRK players and I could argue they are mocking us with a certain name of certain new skill if is true is called like that but that's another discussion.

At the end of the day it's so annoying for me hear Yoship saying they listen to us and aim to fulfill our expectations and they don't even bother on archive a basic middle ground for DRK considering the total lack of cohesion on his kit is actually an universal complain.

[Shin96]

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And yet after all this feedback and criticisms we are stuck with this job and its rework. The point I was trying to make is our method is not working, clearly not.

These developers think they know what's best for us. There is enough feedback. But nobody to effectively turn that into something consistent and material. You know? Something that ends up working.

I posted this in another sub-forum but they just don't care about us because the numbers and bank they're making ask for nothing. They have no major gripes. If you're a developer go figure.

They are mocking us. Maybe they've seen the amount of feedback we've given and in return that's their response. Making our lives harder as DRK mains. We've got what we wanted but.. not in the way we expected.

[MellowMink]

I personally think the ability itself is a pretty fun concept, but it not being easily advertised to healers who need to immediately shift their focus toward getting you back to full health is a problem; that's usually why Dark Knights end up needing a macro with a related message and sound effect too.

[shao32]

And yet after all this feedback and criticisms we are stuck with this job and its rework. The point I was trying to make is our method is not working, clearly not.

These developers think they know what's best for us. There is enough feedback. But nobody to effectively turn that into something consistent and material. You know? Something that ends up working.

I posted this in another sub-forum but they just don't care about us because the numbers and bank they're making ask for nothing. They have no major gripes. If you're a developer go figure.

They are mocking us. Maybe they've seen the amount of feedback we've given and in return that's their response. Making our lives harder as DRK mains. We've got what we wanted but.. not in the way we expected.

Sorry for the late answer.

The thing is what else we can do? our complains are present on the JP forum in a way or another too, we did our best to make big and well detailed threads to reduce to minimun the amount of potential missundertanding they could have and always have with DRK in particular, we implored to improve the comunication with the comunity to increase the quality of the feedback by having more representatives interacting with us so we don't feel totally and at the end ignored and abandoned, we even created a megathread and try to redirect every DRK complain there to mimic JP players feedback structure in hope to get better results, we did more than any other job who just need make a small thread and a few post to get the fixes they wanted/need and in long term better designed jobs, we can't do more.

At the end of the day if the Devs just choose to don't listen and go cheap on DRK there is nothing we can't do, they have the final word , we can't just put a gun on they heads and make them give us the same dedicated treatment they give to the other jobs, is not working yeah but we can't make it work either if they don't wanna make it work no matter who good we do it and that's is so sad bcs i consider Yoship and his battle team better than this.

[whiskeybravo]

we can't do more.

You could stop playing DRK. If they don't care then why should you?

Once it's in da grave they'll be forced to address.

[Shin96]

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The only thing that ever works in cases like this one is confrontation. That's impossible though, because we're not streamers with a like-minded crowd, for instance. A company only caves in when their image or reputation is about to take a hit.

I propose people leave in-game suggestions about their frustration with this job. If in 2 years of time things still continue on with this trend, then what's the reasonable solution? Quit the game. Do it for yourself.

What did other communities do when they realized their feedback and suggestions were ignored for years? Correct, they abandoned the game. Why is it so different for this game however? It's a simple problem.

Remember the panel held at E3, if I remember correctly, as to what can ruin an MMO and what it means to be successful. You will find countless contradictions in the statements regarding FFXIV in 2021.

People believe that Yoshi-P and his developement team care about us even in the most illogical of ways. Yes, this man single-handedly works the hardest and I have deep respect for this man, but he works in the interest of his own company.

What does this mean? The higher-ups on the corporate ladder want to see higher numbers, both financially and player-wise. When they task Yoshi-P to translate changes in this game in accordance with the numbers layed out, he'll do what's necessary to transcribe that goal realistically. It means if even a tiny aspect of a large portion is not in accordance with that goal, it will be changed. Indefinitely. This is why they said they'll expand on the 5.0 formula, not the complexity of 3.0, it is not in the interest of the people they're after.

I think your problem is you're stuck in denial, thinking that eventually one day, even a simple change to something like Living Dead would be added. This is not supposed to be offensive to you, but that's a position I was in not too long ago, until things started becoming more clear. Yes LD is flawed in design, but what more evidence to you need they couldn't give a Chocobo's wet arse about what we want, if not invisible to them entirely. If my thoughts are correct about their attempt at mocking us, then I spit on this company and all the money I invested previously. Had you told me back in Stormblood that this is where things would be going, I would have ended things right there. Why even give them the time of my day? It's akin to an abusive relationship. You do anything, but it will always backfire against you.

As for myself, I'm tired of this game and I found plenty of other games to offer me better things in return for my money. I've always felt like this MMO was a huge waste of time, it's only recently I internalized that and started playing less and less. Then couple that with the direction this game is going.. not good. Quitting the game is not only good to yourself but you don't support them screwing you over either. Win-win.