Future Summoner Summonings

[Sequora]

I actually wish they would just make leviathan, shiva, and Ramuh glamour spells.

7.0 is 2 years away.

The bigger problem is that if they add them as phoenix spells we’re running back into that really long summoner rotation that severely punishes death.

That is unless one of them is a glamour for ifrit, titan and Garuda respectively.

[Eloah]

I actually wish they would just make leviathan, shiva, and Ramuh glamour spells.

7.0 is 2 years away.

The bigger problem is that if they add them as phoenix spells we’re running back into that really long summoner rotation that severely punishes death.

That is unless one of them is a glamour for ifrit, titan and Garuda respectively.

This. I just want the other 3 summons. Please SE.

Maybe they could make it, after the Bahamut phase you use the initial 3, and then after Phoenix you use the other 3. Mechanically they'd be the same, but visually they'd be different. Ifrit/Shiva, Garuda/Ramuh, Titan/Leviathan.

[Sequora]

Shiva and Leviathan are two of my favorite final fantasy summons. I’ve never been a huge fan of titan.

I would love the ability to swap the ones we’re getting.

I think leviathan could be a good glamour for Garuda, as you could leave a dropsy puddle.

Shiva could replace Ifrit, as she does have melee abilities.

Ramuh could replace titan.

That being said, I am just thankful that we are finally fulfilling my power fantasy and are losing our poison spells. It’s literally what I’ve been asking for since 2.0

[Eloah]

Shiva and Leviathan are two of my favorite final fantasy summons. I’ve never been a huge fan of titan.

I would love the ability to swap the ones we’re getting.

I think leviathan could be a good glamour for Garuda, as you could leave a dropsy puddle.

Shiva could replace Ifrit, as she does have melee abilities.

Ramuh could replace titan.

That being said, I am just thankful that we are finally fulfilling my power fantasy and are losing our poison spells. It’s literally what I’ve been asking for since 2.0

See I was thinking the speed aspect for the Wind into Lightning swap, but a dropsy puddle makes more sense for that.

I personally never minded SMN, though I can see why others felt it was meh. My biggest gripe were people complaining about other things that shall not be mentioned, lol. But I do hope this new direction leads to something more. My only concern was, if you were remaking the job anyways, why not incorporate more of the other Summons?

[MercuryD]

I actually wish they would just make leviathan, shiva, and Ramuh glamour spells.

7.0 is 2 years away.

The bigger problem is that if they add them as phoenix spells we’re running back into that really long summoner rotation that severely punishes death.

That is unless one of them is a glamour for ifrit, titan and Garuda respectively.

I know nobody likes homogenization but as long as all the non-demis do effectively the same damage as a set and the demis do roughly the same damage then death should be much less punishing. Honestly, I'm going EW relieves the death punishment a bit as is

[Raikai]

I know nobody likes homogenization but as long as all the non-demis do effectively the same damage as a set and the demis do roughly the same damage then death should be much less punishing. Honestly, I'm going EW relieves the death punishment a bit as is

That was what I had in mind as well...

Let's say with imaginary numbers - Trance+Bahamut+3 gems = 100 dps / Trance+Phoenix+3 new gems = 120 dps;

If the power difference between the 2 stages is not abysmally huge, then yes it still punishes death and rewards good SMNs, but not in a way that completely breaks the job's DPS.

Thinking of it not as just a long rotation, but 2 different rotations that do similar damage.

[MercuryD]

That was what I had in mind as well...

Let's say with imaginary numbers - Trance+Bahamut+3 gems = 100 dps / Trance+Phoenix+3 new gems = 120 dps;

If the power difference between the 2 stages is not abysmally huge, then yes it still punishes death and rewards good SMNs, but not in a way that completely breaks the job's DPS.

Thinking of it not as just a long rotation, but 2 different rotations that do similar damage.

Exactly my idea. 2 mini rotations in 1 longer rotation. As we know from the PLL Bahamut looks to be more DPS than Phoenix because of deathflare but that's one skill out of the whole mini-rotation

[Anvaire]

I think tbh, they could probabl skip adding more gems to smn completley and instead do a Glamour system around reskinning the skills / evoked primal.

I eally can't see them adding more summons in 7.0 because it would effectively be adding the same thing 2 expansion in a row. They could however add a rotational finisher in the form of a differnt type of summon or they could add another demi / upgrade the two we have.

There is no reason every summoner couldnt call forth some form of light warden afterall, as an example.

Either way, it will be interesting to see how they deal with additional summons and button bloat.

[Jirah]

Summoner is shaping up to be the absolute most cluttered and busy job in future expansions and I'm all here for it.

The heck? I know details are still sparse but did I accidentally stumble on the land of make believe? This is almost the opposite of what 6.0 SMN is. It now has the least amount skills of all jobs (17 I think not including roles) and unless the summons contain a ton of nuisance which I doubt as LL mentioned “you can freely use either summon” the jobs is not clustered, which isn’t even a good thing and it’s far from busy. The delusion is real

[AziraSyuren]

The heck? I know details are still sparse but did I accidentally stumble on the land of make believe? This is almost the opposite of what 6.0 SMN is. It now has the least amount skills of all jobs (17 I think not including roles) and unless the summons contain a ton of nuisance which I doubt as LL mentioned “you can freely use either summon” the jobs is not clustered, which isn’t even a good thing and it’s far from busy. The delusion is real

I said future expansions for a reason.

As more is added to the job, there will either be a lot to keep track of as your skills keep changing at different parts of the rotation, or they'll all just be reskins of the same basic skills and there won't be much of a difference. If it's the former, the job will likely end up being pretty busy by virtue of how much you need to keep in mind.

Wasn't aware of the 17 skills part though.