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    Theory on WoL & Hydaelyn's Relationship [Spoiler: 5.55]

    Hey, this is my first post! It's more or less a cross-post from reddit, apologies if the formatting isn't best for this forum!

    Okay so I finished 5.55 on Friday, and I've got theories. One of them has been big in my mind tho, and I wanted to see how viable it is and discuss it with the lore experts on the sub.

    What if, and hear me out here; What if when Venat-as-Hydaelyn calls the WoL her beloved [child], she's being literal? What if pre-sundering Azem was her kid?
    Not like, a child-child, alá Elidibus, but a parent-child relationship nonetheless. We know that Amaurotines did age and have families, and I for one don't think it's inconceivable that Venat, who was important enough within their society to be the leader of the resistance group and the soon to be heart of a Primal, would have a personal connection with a member of the convocation.

    It's a little bit of a stretch, but what got me thinking of it was Midgardsormr and Hydaelyn's relationship; Middy made some kind of covenant with the crystal when he came to the source, agreeing to act as protector in exchange for sanctuary for him and his brood.

    What if the unsundered Azem made something of a similar pact with Venat/Hydaelyn; They were prone to doing what they could to protect life as it was, and were 100% down to interfere in events as they wandered. Maybe, although they didn't participate in her summoning, because they disagreed with the creation of Zodiark, they found it more up their alley to consent to being the forever-protector of life on all shards as the always-reincarnating Warrior of Light, who is Hydaelyn's instrument to keep Zodiark in check.
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    I mean, it could be the case. There's just no hard evidence for it in game, as of now. We don't even know yet if Venat's faction got Azem to come around to their line of thinking, nor what happened to Azem in the wake of the Final Days, other than they were around long enough to be sundered.
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    I'm going to posture that the Rising poem implies that Azem was struck by The Sound.

    This quote here: "God-slayer struck by an echoing roar,"

    So my guess is Azem left the council, was trying to fix the problem out in the world, was hit by The Sound, Azem's echo was ripped away, Zodiark and then Hydaelyn are summoned, Hydaelyn (or maybe Zodiark) repair Azem's connection to the echo, then Azem chooses to join team Hydaelyn, the events of which lead to Zodiark and Hydaelyn fighting.

    I'm going to go one step further and say the Ancient connection we should be looking for is Ancient Zenos and Azem. I bet they were friends who became rivals for the seat of Azem and Zenos most likely betrayed Azem causing The Sound to wound them so Zenos could hold the seat.
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    I don't think it's the worst idea, and would suggest exactly why A: Venat became the leader of sorts, and B: why they specifically mentioned reaching out to Azem. But it kinda needs more than just circumstantial evidence for me to believe in it.
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    I personally think there was a close relationship between Venat and Fandaniel. Could Fandaniel be our stepdad??...
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    Ok, so Venat and Azem have a love child named Fandaniel, who has an Oedipus Complex and created The Sound in order to eliminate Father.

    Personally this is just as likely as anything else I've seen.
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    I actually wouldn't be surprised to learn that Fandaniel created The Sound. An Oedipus complex could indeed give him a reason to do so.
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