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  1. #1
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    GoldenVesper's Avatar
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    Trouwfast Stonesinger
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    Midgardsormr
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    Marauder Lv 80

    [Unapproved Post][240 PB Requested]

    Scholar wants for a clearly defined job identity. Its capstone abilities from each expansion feel disconnected or even antithetical to one another, and its lack of connection to the Scholars of titles past leaves it with little in the way of a unique flavor apart from "barriers" and "fairy". Part of this lack is due to its origin as a bifurcation of the Arcanist class, but now that Summoner has grown beyond its humble beginnings, there's little reason why Scholar can't do so as well.

    Scholar's abilities should be built around its lore. Scholar is a battlefield tactician who has forged a partnership with an otherworldly arcane entity. Scholar's healing and damage are two sides of the same coin - restoring, stabilizing, and disrupting aether within the bodies of their targets. Scholar cedes Ruin to Summoner entirely and begins with Broil instead.

    Instead of casting Summon Eos or Summon Selene, the Scholar casts Summon Fairy, which is in Dawn phase by default. This results in summoning Eos at level four.

    Dancer's Closed Position and Curing Waltz abilities demonstrate that it is possible for an ability to be executed by the Scholar with its area centered on another entity, performed with no delay. The Scholar executes Whisper, and the fairy does nothing, but Whispering Dawn's area of effect is centered on the fairy. If this means sacrificing the fairy's Whispering Dawn cast animation, then so be it. In Dusk phase, Whisper executes Whispering Dusk.

    Since abilities can now have a Scholar affinity without affecting Summoner, the Scholar gains Succor at level 10; if necessary, the Galvanize barrier can come later via a trait.

    Scholar's basic mechanic can continue in the same vein as the original Aetherflow, but we can look to the series history to know that Scholar's archetypical ability is Libra. With Libra, the Scholar examines the battlefield and devises tactics on the fly. These tactical maneuvers are represented by the erstwhile Aetherflow charges, now Strategems. The Aetherflow Gauge is now the Strategem Gauge.

    If Scholar must wait for a trait to add Galvanize to Succor, it comes when the Scholar learns Adloquium.

    In lieu of Ruin II, Scholar now has Pain, which can now only be cast once every 30s. With the reduction in cast time for healing spells in Endwalker, the instant cast spell is less necessary for weaving. This allows Pain to have a higher potency and potentially to inflict a damage over time effect.

    The Fairy Gauge is now unlocked along with Illuminate. Illuminate creates an area of effect around the fairy that grants Morning Illumination with a Fairy Gauge cost of 10. In the same way that Whisper now takes effect instantaneously, so does Illuminate. Extinguish ends the effect in the same way Dissolve Union ends Aetherpact. In Dusk phase, Illuminate executes Evening Illumination.

    Lancet is a reimagining of Scholar's version of Energy Drain. Lancet is already a historical Final Fantasy series ability that does much the same thing, and it is also the name of a surgical implement - apropos for a Healer. Lancet also contributes twice as much to the Fairy Gauge as other Strategems. This adds some strategy to deciding whether to use a Strategem for healing in the short term or to contribute more to the Fairy Gauge for a long term investment.

    Deployment Tactics, like Emergency Tactics, is now a buff applied to the Scholar, which extends the next Galvanize effect they apply with Adloquium. This results in the shields extending instantaneously upon taking effect.

    In lieu of Dissipation, Scholar now has Coalescence, which can stack up to three charges. This grants an additional Stratagem to the Scholar by drawing energy from the fairy. This causes the fairy to enter Dusk phase and become Selene for 10 seconds per charge executed. While in Dusk phase, potencies for all fairy abilities are halved.

    Bestow executes the effect of Fey Blessing, Fey Inspiration (in Dusk phase), or Consolation (in Day phase), centered on the fairy. Recast timer for Bestow resets when the fairy enters or exits Day phase and has a second charge while in Day phase.

    Exalt causes the fairy to enter Day phase and become Seraph for 30s.


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    Level	Ability			Type	Cast	Recast
    1	Broil			Spell	1.5s	2.5s
    2	Bio			Spell	Instant	2.5s
    3	Physick			Spell	1.5s	2.5s
    4	Summon Fairy		Spell	2.5s	2.5s
    10	Succor			Spell	2s	2.5s
    12	Resurrection		Spell	8s	2.5s
    15	Whisper			Ability	Instant	60s
    26	Bio II			Spell	Instant	2.5s
    30	Libra			Ability	Instant	60s
    30	Lustrate		Ability	Instant	1s
    35	Adloquium		Spell	1.5s	2.5s
    38	Pain			Spell	Instant	30s
    40	Illuminate		Ability	Instant	3s
    40	Extinguish		Ability	Instant	1s
    45	Lancet			Ability	Instant	3s
    46	Art of War		Spell	Instant	2.5s
    50	Sacred Soil		Ability	Instant	30s
    52	Indomitability		Ability	Instant	30s
    54	Broil II		Spell	1.5s	2.5s
    56	Deployment Tactics	Ability	Instant	120s
    58	Emergency Tactics	Ability Instant	15s
    60	Coalescence		Ability	Instant	10s
    62	Excogitation		Ability	Instant 30s
    64	Broil III		Spell	1.5s	2.5s
    66	Chain Strategem		Ability	Instant	120s
    70	Aetherpact		Ability	Instant	3s
    70	Dissolve Union		Ability	Instant	1s
    72	Biolysis		Spell	Instant	2.5s
    72	Broil IV		Spell	1.5s	2.5s
    74	Recitation		Ability	Instant	60s
    76	Bestow			Ability	Instant	60s
    80	Exalt			Ability	Instant	120s
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    Last edited by GoldenVesper; 10-04-2021 at 05:19 AM.

  2. #2
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    FoxCh40s's Avatar
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Or they'll just do nothing, cause they've stated they have no damn clue what to do with it, pretty much stated they can't really be bothered; they hyped up changes and fixes to the fairy, when it worked perfectly at the end of Stormblood, only for them to fuck it up again in Shadowbringers, doing a massive rework exactly NO ONE ASKED FOR NOR WANTED, removed energy drain in stormblood, gave it back, removed it AGAIN in Shadowbringers and gave it back AGAIN.

    They don't care about Healers, it's been shown time and time and time and time and time again. Healers exist purely for Tank and Dps to subsist in the game so that there is the illusion of difficulty for them.

    They don't care, I repeat. They. Do. Not. Care.
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    Hoatu Hotus
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    So if summarized correctly…

    1) Summon Selene removed. Only Summon Eos, but renamed Summon Fairy

    2) Fairy abilities are ogcds/no animations (technically)

    3) Day is just regular Eos. Dusk is gimped Eos.

    4) Medica 1 at lvl 10, then upgrade it to Succor at lvl 30. (SCH has been pretty much separated from ACN since ShB started. They only share Resurrection)

    5) Ruin 2 is now an instacast DoT.

    6) Aetherflow is renamed to Stratagem…and that’s all I really picked up. Not quite sure what Libra would do.

    8) Deployment Tactics for fatter shield.

    9) Dissiption gives 1 Aetherflow and gimps the fairy for 10 sec, can be used up to 3 times based off charges.

    10) Summon Seraph just summons Eos+.

    My question: what happens when you cast Coalescence after using Exalt?
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    Dru Hutton
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Or they'll just do nothing, cause they've stated they have no damn clue what to do with it, pretty much stated they can't really be bothered; they hyped up changes and fixes to the fairy, when it worked perfectly at the end of Stormblood, only for them to fuck it up again in Shadowbringers, doing a massive rework exactly NO ONE ASKED FOR NOR WANTED, removed energy drain in stormblood, gave it back, removed it AGAIN in Shadowbringers and gave it back AGAIN.

    They don't care about Healers, it's been shown time and time and time and time and time again. Healers exist purely for Tank and Dps to subsist in the game so that there is the illusion of difficulty for them.

    They don't care, I repeat. They. Do. Not. Care.
    ^^ You know this has really resonated with me from what we had to this it is quite gutting and you have just woken me up.
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Or they'll just do nothing, cause they've stated they have no damn clue what to do with it, pretty much stated they can't really be bothered; they hyped up changes and fixes to the fairy, when it worked perfectly at the end of Stormblood, only for them to fuck it up again in Shadowbringers, doing a massive rework exactly NO ONE ASKED FOR NOR WANTED, removed energy drain in stormblood, gave it back, removed it AGAIN in Shadowbringers and gave it back AGAIN.

    They don't care about Healers, it's been shown time and time and time and time and time again. Healers exist purely for Tank and Dps to subsist in the game so that there is the illusion of difficulty for them.

    They don't care, I repeat. They. Do. Not. Care.
    I agree. They don't care; they're literally have the worst PR team I've ever seen.
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    Player VictoriaLuv's Avatar
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    Seraphine Rosa
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    lol play sage
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    Anhra Nefaris
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    Omega
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Scholars new Job identity is being the only Job not having one, if you dont like rolling with it, maybe you might consider WALKING with it in Endwalker.
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    Susubi Subi
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    In all honesty legit nothing....and I mean it

    Scholar is the "problematic" child of ffxiv and the reason why? Is because they are the jealous type and feel threatened with any new healer put into the game

    I remember back in ARR days where legit every scholar threatened to quit the game just because they felt threatened over the "new" astrologian job, and that it looks more "flashy"

    So legit most of them tried the new healer and done theorycraft and what not, as soon they found out AST wasn't that great, they all jump ship back to SCH and base AST hard calling it a useless healer because it have weaker heals/shields/and buffs not that great

    Now scholar is the king when it comes to being a support partner and always have been for an eternity , AST tried to knock it off its throne and couldn't do it, Eventually AST started to replace WHM instead


    Now in 6.0 sage is coming....and suprise suprise SCH mains is acting out again, any "new' flashy heal or reading legit 1 tooltip SCH is the first to cry wolf and always have

    I remember the massive backlash about AST shields because the tooltip was leaked, SCH mains bashed it sooo hard, but what they didn't know is....AST shield did NOT apply CRIT bonus shield like the scholar does


    Scholar will be fine, and most likely be used for "prog" like whitemage is used for "prog"

    AST and Scholar will be most likely be used for speed runs As per usual, and fyi the movement speed buff scholar gives, also applies a damage reduction (which people forgot)

    Now with sage...it's just a DPS healers that does some shields, and damage reduction and healing, it doesn't really do anything else for the raid

    So I give it a month after the 17th November, and I garentee Sage will be the worst healer, once meta's start forming

    (the same happened in HW with AST that legit no one wanted it, which the meta was formed as WHM/SCH)

    Then stormblood game which it evolved....it became AST/SCH for its potent raid DPS boost
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    Angelus Reflex
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    "Deployment Tactics, like Emergency Tactics, is now a buff applied to the Scholar, which extends the next Galvanize effect they apply with Adloquium. This results in the shields extending instantaneously upon taking effect."

    Stop. I can only get so erect. No but seriously little changes like this would show they are actualy listening to us, but i am not going to wait 3 patches to see those adjustments, SGE main it is.
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  10. #10
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    In all honesty legit nothing....and I mean it

    Scholar is the "problematic" child of ffxiv and the reason why? Is because they are the jealous type and feel threatened with any new healer put into the game

    I remember back in ARR days where legit every scholar threatened to quit the game just because they felt threatened over the "new" astrologian job, and that it looks more "flashy"
    Nah, that's not the case, the reason it got nerfed (Scholar) is because of jealous people who didn't understand the class and how it worked at all. With proper application of skill, and good Scholar was worth more than a good white Mage and astro combined.

    Scholar was good because the game was tailored to favor it with encounter design. It was the single most well designed job besides Warrior in the HW and ARR days. It was literal perfection, and people couldn't handle that notion. So everytime we got overgeared to hell, people started complaining that Scholar was OP, when they forgot that early leveling Scholar was much harder than White Mage and Astro due to lack of options.

    Scholar had the inability (beyond an exceptionally exceptional Scholar) to handle a large amount of mistakes and excessive burst healing requirements. Succor has always been weak, and so has Adlo. The only thing that people complained about was an occasional crit that would nullify every kind of healing requirement, and could be used to super cheese mechanics.

    What they don't realize, is in order to make effective use of that, Scholar had to use vast amounts of MP fishing for Crits on a Warrior to do so, which quite frankly was never garunteed.

    Scholar being in the state it is now is due to the fact of a vast majority of big ol cry babies not being able to handle a superiorly designed job and a clear and unique class advantage.

    The reason why the game is in the state it is now is because of these exact complaints. That people were jealous of another Job's capabilities, regardless of job, and refusing to go play that job and understand it otherwise.

    Tldr, people wine a lot, and really don't understand the game.
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