Hunts - Preventing prepulling and sniping

[EtherRose]

For those stating it's a "First come first serve" , it really isn't. Why? If it was a first come first serve than other parties wouldn't receive rewards for contribution of damage. Only the main party who engaged. This would be "First come first serve". It's also like stating "FATE's" are first come first serve when it's a event for everybody.

An prime example of first come first serve is like mining iron nodes in New World or Runescape, etc.

TBH, it's like a grey area.

[raelgun]

For those stating it's a "First come first serve" , it really isn't. Why? If it was a first come first serve than other parties wouldn't receive rewards for contribution of damage. Only the main party who engaged. This would be "First come first serve". It's also like stating "FATE's" are first come first serve when it's a event for everybody.

An prime example of first come first serve is like mining iron nodes in New World or Runescape, etc.

TBH, it's like a grey area.

Its not a grey area, you pull first, you get to kill it.

If you try to drag the hunt boss away from its area to reset it, its against the TOS.

SE has pointed this out ages ago.

Also the hunts was never designed for the whole server to join in, the design intent is for those that completed the 'hunt' gets first dibs and get to pull when ever they want, anyone else that joins in on time gets something but thats fine.

The party that did the hunt never had to wait on others, this is the design intent for hunts from the very start and still is.

[EtherRose]

Its not a grey area, you pull first, you get to kill it.

If you try to drag the hunt boss away from its area to reset it, its against the TOS.

SE has pointed this out ages ago.

Also the hunts was never designed for the whole server to join in, the design intent is for those that completed the 'hunt' gets first dibs and get to pull when ever they want, anyone else that joins in on time gets something but thats fine.

The party that did the hunt never had to wait on others, this is the design intent for hunts from the very start and still is.

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

[raelgun]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

First come first serve on the pull then, what you arent getting is, no one has to wait. The group that spawned it can pull right away and if it dies before anyone else gets to it, thats intended by design.

There is no early pulls!

[Sylin77]

The problem is, that this "first come first serve" isn't working.
Like another person said: " it really sucks to be the one who actually spends the time spawning something then not even getting full credit for it because those people who just AFK at the aetherytes waiting for bot relays showed up and swarmed it before you could even find it."
So if not even the spawner is getting the full reward, because other people do actually snipe it and do actually "early pull" it...
Then it's not what you describe.

You don't have to wait to pull - OK.
But the spawner should have a right to pull it first. And that's where the current system lacks fairness.

[Lanadra]

The problem is, that this "first come first serve" isn't working.
Like another person said: " it really sucks to be the one who actually spends the time spawning something then not even getting full credit for it because those people who just AFK at the aetherytes waiting for bot relays showed up and swarmed it before you could even find it."
So if not even the spawner is getting the full reward, because other people do actually snipe it and do actually "early pull" it...
Then it's not what you describe.

You don't have to wait to pull - OK.
But the spawner should have a right to pull it first. And that's where the current system lacks fairness.

Well, you know what they say..

Life isn't fair.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

Except that's not how this game works with rewards of any kind, because that's bad design, and is also the main reason why I loathe open world content in general and it would only be bearable in this game because anyone can get credit.


But it's still first come first serve. There is no gray area. A person crafting at their fc house has no rights to a hunt spawn.

[Kyuuen]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

You're arguing semantics. First come, first serve is being applied whether it's the first person who killed it themselves, party, or hunt train. There is no grey area. If it's there it's fair game to whomever wants to kill it, be it solo, party or train. First come, first serve.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

It's not a gray area. It's basically like a black friday doorbuster sale item at a store. If you get there soon enough you get to buy it. If not you miss out. nothing else to it.

[Jojoya]

The issue of the spawner(s) missing out could be easily fixed by adjusting the "You sense the presence of a powerful mark..." to include the spawn coordinates. There's really no benefit to the game at this point by excluding that information when third party tools get it and relay it instantly.

That way the spawner knows exactly where to go just as the third party tool users do.

For those stating it's a "First come first serve" , it really isn't. Why? If it was a first come first serve than other parties wouldn't receive rewards for contribution of damage. Only the main party who engaged. This would be "First come first serve". It's also like stating "FATE's" are first come first serve when it's a event for everybody.

An prime example of first come first serve is like mining iron nodes in New World or Runescape, etc.

TBH, it's like a grey area.

"First Come, First Serve" is the wrong term. The system is intended to be "Kill on Sight". You find it, you kill it. If it's a harder mark, you ask your friends to come help.

How it should have been to begin with tbh.

I doubt SE ever expected the player populations of each world to grow as large as they have.

There's a big difference when a world only has about 5,000 active players and when it has 25,000 active players. You've got to adjust open world content to reflect that.