Hunts - Preventing prepulling and sniping

[Sylin77]

The problem is, that this "first come first serve" isn't working.
Like another person said: " it really sucks to be the one who actually spends the time spawning something then not even getting full credit for it because those people who just AFK at the aetherytes waiting for bot relays showed up and swarmed it before you could even find it."
So if not even the spawner is getting the full reward, because other people do actually snipe it and do actually "early pull" it...
Then it's not what you describe.

You don't have to wait to pull - OK.
But the spawner should have a right to pull it first. And that's where the current system lacks fairness.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

Except that's not how this game works with rewards of any kind, because that's bad design, and is also the main reason why I loathe open world content in general and it would only be bearable in this game because anyone can get credit.


But it's still first come first serve. There is no gray area. A person crafting at their fc house has no rights to a hunt spawn.

[Kyuuen]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

You're arguing semantics. First come, first serve is being applied whether it's the first person who killed it themselves, party, or hunt train. There is no grey area. If it's there it's fair game to whomever wants to kill it, be it solo, party or train. First come, first serve.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Yea, no. It is a grey area. I think the point here you're not understanding is if it's truly a "First come first serve" you would not get credit or rewards at all. You still get credit for the kill towards achievements even if you didn't pull first, etc.

Again, grey area. You say the intended design was for those who ever found the hunt gets first dibs, etc. If that was the intended design than again no other parties would get credit or the same rewards as the party who pulled it.

If it truly was "First come first serve" - Only the pulling party would get credit and rewards.

It's not a gray area. It's basically like a black friday doorbuster sale item at a store. If you get there soon enough you get to buy it. If not you miss out. nothing else to it.

[Jojoya]

The issue of the spawner(s) missing out could be easily fixed by adjusting the "You sense the presence of a powerful mark..." to include the spawn coordinates. There's really no benefit to the game at this point by excluding that information when third party tools get it and relay it instantly.

That way the spawner knows exactly where to go just as the third party tool users do.

For those stating it's a "First come first serve" , it really isn't. Why? If it was a first come first serve than other parties wouldn't receive rewards for contribution of damage. Only the main party who engaged. This would be "First come first serve". It's also like stating "FATE's" are first come first serve when it's a event for everybody.

An prime example of first come first serve is like mining iron nodes in New World or Runescape, etc.

TBH, it's like a grey area.

"First Come, First Serve" is the wrong term. The system is intended to be "Kill on Sight". You find it, you kill it. If it's a harder mark, you ask your friends to come help.

How it should have been to begin with tbh.

I doubt SE ever expected the player populations of each world to grow as large as they have.

There's a big difference when a world only has about 5,000 active players and when it has 25,000 active players. You've got to adjust open world content to reflect that.

[KageTokage]

I wouldn't be against the "first come first serve" policy if not for the fact that you're practically forced to rely on relays from third party software nowdays if you want to ensure you're able to get some hits in as the bot relay networks have become so pervasive that more often then not any S rank spawns is immediately known of by several people across the entire data center and it makes every single hunt into a mad scramble; particularly during the post-expansion/patch release periods where the player population is at its peak.

There really would be no harm in increasing how long it takes to kill them considering that their effort to reward ratio is already extremely lop-sided for anyone who isn't actually doing the spawning. Alternatively, having a delay before the hunt actually spawns after it's "triggered" might be even better as it would prevent them being immediately detected by the radar programs that are reading the data from the game client if they instead had some kind of placeholder with limited draw distance like footprints show up where the hunt is due to spawn, then have the hunt actually appear a couple minutes later.

[KageTokage]

I do agree that cross-world hunting has kind of worsened the experience overall between the overcrowding and stuff dying way too quickly.

I would honestly not be against them just not allowing players from other servers to interact with hunt marks for the sake of mitigating both.

[Rowde]

Yawn... "early pulls" definitely exist.

Y'all keep making up this ideal scenario where the person/party that fulfills the spawn conditions always gets to the S Rank first. Which doesn't always happen, particularly because, as I mentioned, the process by which the game determines Spawn points for S Ranks and A Ranks was solved by the playerbase this expansion. Sure for some S Ranks, this can make it easier to get in position and fulfill the condition at the spawn point, but for others that require the condition to fulfilled at a specific location at specific time intervals... and the spawn point is across the map... well "early pullers" can get in position for the spawn beforehand, not participate in the pop conditions at all, and possibly kill the mark before the players that fulfilled the condition even get a chance to get a hit in.

The SS Rank in ShB is a prime example of a mark that will generate a lot of salt once everyone is level 90. Players have to disperse across the map to kill its minions to fulfill it's conditions, yet it always has the same spawn point on each map... so it will be incredibly easy for a sizable mob to gather at the spawn point while minions are getting killed that can wipe the boss out before the players at the farther minions can even reach the SS mark.

[Ath192]

I wonder if they could do something like turn A ranks into quests you can grab at the Hunter Scholar and once you get the quest you need to go activate the conditions for spawning them based on clues from the Hunter Scholar, once your party manages to spawn it then you get a open world zone cordoned off the the population like Bozja uses in their zones. This zone would be for an 8 player party only, as SE intended, and giant player mobs would be a thing of the past plus the original intent of 8 players spawning and fighting A ranks would be preserved, plus the work for it would be rewarded to the party only. No freeloaders.

Since any party can grab the quest they could simply be RNG into different areas of the world so as to handle lots of parties doing this simultaneously.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I wonder if they could do something like turn A ranks into quests you can grab at the Hunter Scholar and once you get the quest you need to go activate the conditions for spawning them based on clues from the Hunter Scholar, once your party manages to spawn it then you get a open world zone cordoned off the the population like Bozja uses in their zones. This zone would be for an 8 player party only, as SE intended, and giant player mobs would be a thing of the past plus the original intent of 8 players spawning and fighting A ranks would be preserved, plus the work for it would be rewarded to the party only. No freeloaders.

Since any party can grab the quest they could simply be RNG into different areas of the world so as to handle lots of parties doing this simultaneously.

How it should have been to begin with tbh.