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  1. #31
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    To add some numbers in the hope of providing clarity.

    At level 80:

    Natural HP Regen - 1.2k
    Embrace - 5.3k
    Soil - 5.3k
    Asylum - 6.3k
    Regen - 11k

    The potency is weak but given there's no GCD cost that's fair enough. The problem is that you can't lean on it anymore since it's just not dependable in any situation where it could make a difference. Meanwhile soil/asylum are vastly superior at topping a raid between most AoEs and frankly, there's plenty of situations where even just letting people naturally regenerate is sufficient.
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  2. #32
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Embrace lost a large chunk of it's value when you stopped being able to manually focus fire it tbh =(
    I don't understand why SCH doesn't get something similar as SGE.
    Placing a link or whatever it could be on a target to force embrace on that target.
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  3. #33
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    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Adamantoise
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    I don't understand why SCH doesn't get something similar as SGE.
    Placing a link or whatever it could be on a target to force embrace on that target.
    bUt ThAt'S wHaT tHe GaUgE iS fOr!

    They took away Rouse and control and put it on a garbage ability that doesn't even last long enough for it to be significant.
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  4. #34
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    Source Eldion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    bUt ThAt'S wHaT tHe GaUgE iS fOr!

    They took away Rouse and control and put it on a garbage ability that doesn't even last long enough for it to be significant.
    The fact that we even have the Gauge is still rediculous. It's for one skill, one damn skill. Why not just put it on a freaking cooldown instead of all this building non sense for a extremely underwhelming ability?

    If the Tether gave someone like an increase to damage and movement speed, then totally worth the build, but basically a Roused Embrace?

    Why?
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  5. #35
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    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    The fact that we even have the Gauge is still rediculous. It's for one skill, one damn skill. Why not just put it on a freaking cooldown instead of all this building non sense for a extremely underwhelming ability?

    If the Tether gave someone like an increase to damage and movement speed, then totally worth the build, but basically a Roused Embrace?

    Why?
    That's what I've been saying! It takes so long to build up (~2 mins if you don't wait for Lily to come back after using Dissipation, if you use that at all), and what do you get for all that effort? MORE HEALING. It's... just... why? Two expansions in a row where the capstone was just bleh, and, from what it's looking like, the defense + movement buff is going to be a capstone as well. Just... what is it with them and not knowing how to make a SCH capstone ability?!
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  6. #36
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    The fact that we even have the Gauge is still rediculous. It's for one skill, one damn skill. Why not just put it on a freaking cooldown instead of all this building non sense for a extremely underwhelming ability?

    If the Tether gave someone like an increase to damage and movement speed, then totally worth the build, but basically a Roused Embrace?

    Why?
    Fey Union is the most interestingly built-in heal in the game in terms of mechanics. Most healing oGCDs don't even have one. Fey Union can actually be maintained for 51s at level cap because of the way it interacts with other abilities.

    The place where I find myself using more than 10 ticks regularly is the wall-to-wall pull after the first boss in Ala Mhigo. That pull consists of roughly 15-20 mobs and some of them have tank busters. Having 270 ticking regen every 3s is awesome because I want all of my GCDs to go for AoR. The fairy is basically healing almost the same amount as me in that instance. For that pull in most cases I use 2 Excogs and 5 Lustratres, that's 4600 potency. The 6 AE abilities that I use during the pull increase the ticks of Fey Union up to 16, that's 4320 + 560 from WD which is used at the start of the pull. It is very noticeable for me when I try to do that pull without Fey Union stacked. I always end up casting a couple of Aldo's after using Dissipation which is bad.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 10-01-2021 at 10:15 AM.

  7. #37
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    Source Eldion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Fey Union is the most interestingly built-in heal in the game in terms of mechanics. Most healing oGCDs don't even have one. Fey Union can actually be maintained for 51s at level cap because of the way it interacts with other abilities.

    The place where I find myself using more than 10 ticks regularly is the wall-to-wall pull after the first boss in Ala Mhigo. That pull consists of roughly 15-20 mobs and some of them have tank busters. Having 270 ticking regen every 3s is awesome because I want all of my GCDs to go for AoR. The fairy is basically healing almost the same amount as me in that instance. For that pull in most cases I use 2 Excogs and 5 Lustratres, that's 4600 potency. The 6 AE abilities that I use during the pull increase the ticks of Fey Union up to 16, that's 4320 + 560 from WD which is used at the start of the pull. It is very noticeable for me when I try to do that pull without Fey Union stacked. I always end up casting a couple of Aldo's after using Dissipation which is bad.
    I mean, the actual potency isn't the problem, that's just pre nerf fairy potency with rouse directed at a single person. They used to heal for the equivalent of Cure 2 if you had Soil up combined with Malady.

    The problem I have, is it's a capstone ability, that feels crap to use, and for us older Scholars, just make us remember what things used to be like. The Gauge being used for a single ability is pointless and wasted potential.

    If anyone should have gotten a Reaper hybrid transformation, it should have been Scholar, with an upgraded Dissipation, that fuses you and the fairy and takes Gauge to use; altering your DPS and Healing kit to be a Fusion of Fairy and Scholar Magicks.

    THAT would be a proper Gauge.
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  8. #38
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    Rurulu Namilu
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Fairy gauge and Fey Union has always been a very underwhelming ability. It is more clunky to use with its activation delay and its slow gauge dependence. Why root the fairy when Fey Union was active? The fairy used to not move at all during Fey Union activation, which required manually moving the fairy, interrupting Embrace casts. Why have gauge lockouts during Seraph? None of the other healers had cooldown lockouts on abilities and spells.

    Also, Scholars that knew how to focus-fire Embrace onto tanks made Fey Union especially mediocre. Fey Blessing is such a horribly weak Fairy AoE heal that has such a long cooldown. What is the point of the Fairy gauge if it is almost useless and inconsequential?

    Rouse boosted the potency of Fairy spells such as Embrace and Whispering Dawn. However Whispering Dawn got changed to an ability which meant Rouse could not be used with it. They tried increasing the potency of Whispering Dawn to compensate, but it was still weaker than before.

    Being a Chain Stratagem bot is not fun game play.
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  9. #39
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    I don't understand why SCH doesn't get something similar as SGE.
    Placing a link or whatever it could be on a target to force embrace on that target.
    Cardia is more like Sage's answer to Embrace, Assize, and Star. Players have been asking to have more abilities like Assize and Star, particularly for SCH, but SCH has kind of already been doing that this whole time as Embrace is continuous, and entirely passive. Cardia, Assize, and Star are definitely way cooler, but they also have CDs. Kind of a tradeoff in my eyes.

    The old Embrace wouldn't work now because we lost fey skills being on the pet hotbar. It also wasn't ideal for controller users, or at least it wasn't for me. As I've been saying though, SCH needs to cocoon and emerge anew. An updated Embrace would be most welcome, and I for one welcome some brainstorming as to what it does.
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  10. #40
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I play on controller and I had a macro for Physick and Embrace that worked well back in the older expansions. The fairy actions could be triggered independently of our own GCD back then so mashing physick for the targeted heal while I was casting dps spells was fun. I rarely ever used physick for the actual spell so it was really my embrace button and I actually kind of miss that. You could actually tell the fairy to help heal the Dragon Heads in Shinryu Extreme and it was great. Now whenever I run it on Min Item Level I remember the good old days and it just isn't the same.
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