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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    That's rude.
    But saying: "are you high?" is not? Where is the difference when both phrases say the same? (Also I don't trust doctors that prescribe drugs first when you have simple cough.)

    2nd: the way they wrote their "warning" reads more as a threat. But then again, I don't care about forum bans, as if my life would depend on it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
    But saying: "are you high?" is not? Where is the difference when both phrases say the same? (Also I don't trust doctors that prescribe drugs first when you have simple cough.)

    2nd: the way they wrote their "warning" reads more as a threat. But then again, I don't care about forum bans, as if my life would depend on it...
    I'd say that "are you high?" is rude. The person who posted that didn't pretend there weren't being rude, in fact their last post ended with an apology.

    As for the second point, that came after and it doesn't change whether what you said was rude or not, you may argue it's justified. But this is my point about owning it, if you're rude accept you're being rude if somebody has a problem with you being rude to them then it's because you're being rude to them not because they can't take criticism.

    I mean, my questioning them being a troll was kinda rude of me, I now figure they might not be, but just there's a language barrier and they get overly defensive when people are rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    I'd say that "are you high?" is rude. The person who posted that didn't pretend there weren't being rude, in fact their last post ended with an apology.

    As for the second point, that came after and it doesn't change whether what you said was rude or not, you may argue it's justified. But this is my point about owning it, if you're rude accept you're being rude if somebody has a problem with you being rude to them then it's because you're being rude to them not because they can't take criticism.

    I mean, my questioning them being a troll was kinda rude of me, I now figure they might not be, but just there's a language barrier and they get overly defensive when people are rude.
    Its not really that I can understand that people may see me as trolling so that doesn't really offend me. any or nor do find that rude at all. I'm just seeking discussions with people that does not result in bashing someone else. most of the time. you get that on final fantasy 14 forums or in-game as a whole. I just understand we all passionate about the game we all have different things like to see in the game. sometimes people will clash cause difference of opinion. however nothing really posted was remotely bad. just my potency increases are way off i would like see some potency increases in scholar's job even if its like 10-20 more potency added to heals or dps

    I sometimes feel whispering dawn doesn't really pull its weight mostly then that being said its no medica II so my. is touch up where scholar individually lacks at the moment. pet ai. good damage rotation set up. having decent regeneration and aoe shielding. and issue i have with CS is that its completely RNG its 15% crit chance for 15s yet damage crits are nice and all. but healing is were the critical are really needed on scholar for it function properly. this were in my opinion where scholar's truly shine

    CS only be put on monster you cant put it on the tank. watch is kinda sad. either way still be used as offensive cd regardless but in dungeons when tank pulls wall to wall. being able to put it on tank and crit/ap more be a welcome change

    why i did that to energy drain is cause i want scholar have something other lucid dreaming gain mp back. without costing aetherrite while keeping it all on lustrates so you can dps more doing the ogcd juggle mostly all healers do this would also automanticlly suggest that energy drain give you more mp upon use. allowing scholar watch at the start of shadowbringers 5.0 alot mp issues with scholar watch they have fixed

    even though there 6 stacks on cs that is 100% crit. i suggested you wont get those cs that put on a boss. no one in 8 man party pops a single crit cause of rng. sure take in weapon skills and magic into account (not auto-attacks) at least crits are happening upon use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv View Post
    I sometimes feel whispering dawn doesn't really pull its weight mostly then that being said its no medica II
    After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    After accounting for pet potency scaling, Whispering Dawn is approximately 560 total potency compared to Medica 2's 700. That's a 140 potency difference. Whispering Dawn is pretty close to Medica 2 in strength.
    Whispering Dawn also has a 60s CD and due to it being an ability doesnt' get any benefit from +healing abilities. It just is what it is healing wise.

    Vs.

    Medica 2 which can be modified by:

    WHM Asylum (10%)
    WHM Temperence (20%)
    SCH Fey Illumination (10%)

    It's the above reasons where Medica 2 can feel REALLY beefy at times. Especially combined with both Temperence and Asylum. 10% less damage and 30% extra healing? Yes please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Do people want Whispering Dawn to throw out an Earthly Star-level heal? Mass Benediction? What would make the fairy "feel" strong? If Embrace chonked the tank for a Cure 2's worth of health every time the cast went off?
    Quit the hyperbole. After the pet tax Embrase is equal to a 100 potency heal every 5 seconds or so (3 sec recast + whenever the fairy decides to actually cast it.)

    It adds up, but lets not pretend it's a lot.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 09-30-2021 at 10:21 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Quit the hyperbole. After the pet tax Embrase is equal to a 100 potency heal every 5 seconds or so (3 sec recast + whenever the fairy decides to actually cast it.)

    It adds up, but lets not pretend it's a lot.
    The fairy weaves commands in between Embrace casts which are 3s when the fairy is stationary. This is the main reason why it takes so long to execute chain commands instantly. It can execute only one command between embrace casts. If a player commands the fairy to execute WD, FI, and Fey Union, they will have the Fey Union ticking after 7-9 seconds delay. Add Fey Blessing before Fey Union and the total amount of time will be 12s for all actions to be executed. The fairy is basically a 1GCD-1oGCD per 3s turret. It functions only when it's not moving, when it's moving it can't do anything. It can't weave more than one command per 3s and it can't clip its GCD Embrace in order to weave a command even if there is no target to cast Embrace on.

    In raids, the fairy can be left to sit stationary in the middle and it will be healing every 3s while unless you have to move it. So that's 2k Healing potency per minute, 1/2 of what Sage has on 2.5 GCD without Soteria. The fairy could possibly get buffed because it can't match Sage at all. It can only reach up to 2510 potency if we add Fey Union and but that's only true if we don't include the usage of Dissipation. Seraph is on 2 min cooldown and it is not really something a Scholar would press in order to sustain the MT. But in the perfect scenario, Seraph would add approximately 1200 ST actual healing potency increase to the normal Embrace for the time it has been summoned. Seraph is actually a really strong oGCD. The strongest in the game. It basically heals for 1900 ST over the 22-23 secs that it is summoned and it provides additional 800 AoE healing potency distributed between 2 casts as half heal and half shield. Its usage is just not very practical. Not only because the ST healing is untargetable but also because the oGCD has 2 min CD. It would have been so much better if Seraph was something that you could constantly switch to when you need it and turn it off when you don't need it instead of it being locked behind a 2min cooldown. There should have been some resource management involving Seraph for better gameplay. Hopefully, they will change something in EW.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 09-30-2021 at 09:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    The fairy weaves commands in between Embrace casts which are 3s when the fairy is stationary. This is the main reason why it takes so long to execute chain commands instantly. It can execute only one command between embrace casts. If a player commands the fairy to execute WD, FI, and Fey Union, they will have the Fey Union ticking after 7-9 seconds delay. Add Fey Blessing before Fey Union and the total amount of time will be 12s for all actions to be executed. The fairy is basically a 1GCD-1oGCD per 3s turret. It functions only when it's not moving, when it's moving it can't do anything. It can't weave more than one command per 3s and it can't clip its GCD Embrace in order to weave a command even if there is no target to cast Embrace on.

    In raids, the fairy can be left to sit stationary in the middle and it will be healing every 3s while unless you have to move it. So that's 2k Healing potency per minute, 1/2 of what Sage has on 2.5 GCD without Soteria. The fairy could possibly get buffed because it can't match Sage at all. It can only reach up to 2510 potency if we add Fey Union and but that's only true if we don't include the usage of Dissipation. Seraph is on 2 min cooldown and it is not really something a Scholar would press in order to sustain the MT. But in the perfect scenario, Seraph would add approximately 1200 ST actual healing potency increase to the normal Embrace for the time it has been summoned. Seraph is actually a really strong oGCD. The strongest in the game. It basically heals for 1900 ST over the 22-23 secs that it is summoned and it provides additional 800 AoE healing potency distributed between 2 casts as half heal and half shield. Its usage is just not very practical. Not only because the ST healing is untargetable but also because the oGCD has 2 min CD. It would have been so much better if Seraph was something that you could constantly switch to when you need it and turn it off when you don't need it instead of it being locked behind a 2min cooldown. There should have been some resource management involving Seraph for better gameplay. Hopefully, they will change something in EW.
    All of this "perfect scenario" doesn't mean much when the fairy doesn't even start healing until a target is at 80% or lower. So yes, you absolutely can go long stretches where the fairy doesn't heal at all.

    Especially when pre-pull is where you're going to have the most shields up.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Quit the hyperbole. After the pet tax Embrase is equal to a 100 potency heal every 5 seconds or so (3 sec recast + whenever the fairy decides to actually cast it.)

    It adds up, but lets not pretend it's a lot.
    I dunno, I'd say (given no dropped casts) TWO THOUSAND potency per minute is a lot. You could even drop a lot of casts and it'd still be a lot. It adds up, let's pretend that's a lot. And remember, in past expansions it was even stronger.

    Sure, it'd get a lot of utility back if you could manually target it again. I'm not against that. But it's not a *weak* heal potency-wise. Especially considering that it's entirely free. Here we go again with dramatic fainting couch Scholar "2k potency per minute feels so weak". It's not weak. It's clunky. There's a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    I dunno, I'd say (given no dropped casts) TWO THOUSAND potency per minute is a lot. You could even drop a lot of casts and it'd still be a lot. It adds up, let's pretend that's a lot. And remember, in past expansions it was even stronger.
    1) Again, you're talking about a perfect scenario where the fairy is casting 100% embrace, 100% of the time and that simply isn't the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Sure, it'd get a lot of utility back if you could manually target it again. I'm not against that. But it's not a *weak* heal potency-wise. . . It's not weak. It's clunky. There's a difference.
    It IS weak. It just adds up over time. Heal by a thousand micro heals. 100 potency is weak. Period.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]