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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    If that happens it's absolutely not on whichever DPS used the LB3, it's on people who failed the mechanic. "Save LB3 for healer" doesn't really have any reason to be spouted outside of ultimate/savage prog.
    ???

    It's a common practice to hold LB3 unless you can get two in case you need the healer LB3. It's a pug, entire parties die in 24 mans all the time, you have no idea how many people in your group know the fights etc. This is not just a savage prog thing. It's very common in regular content.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherPerson View Post
    If you're not using RDM's LB3 to wipe the raid, are you even using RDM's LB3 right?

    But no seriously, in most cases if a melee doesn't LB3 or if you have to hold it because your party is just that bad in regular content that you're most likely going to wipe without healer LB3, a RDM LB3 blinding the screen is the least of your worries.
    This is completely wrong. Using LB3 as soon as it's ready doesn't do anything for you, and in regular content blinding everyone during a mechanic that can kill people is more likely to wipe the group than using no LB at all. Recovering after an LB3 in something like 24 mans happens literally constantly all day and isn't a problem, but if you wipe a 24 man intentionally using RDM LB3 during a mech, you do deserve to be banned for that, as that's blatantly breaking ToS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Is there a rule against using LB? If melee was meant to use the LB why didn't they? Can I report them for not using a ability? Etc . . . I do not think a GM would want to go down that route of doling out punishment for using an ability.

    I mean I think it falls in the same realm as rescue sure allegedly people have been punished for their use but broadly speaking I am sure those that punt punished are so few are far in between and also prob say something afterwards that incriminated them.

    I just do not see SE punishing players without hard evidence not just a pattern. Their history also supports this stance.
    It's not about using an ability. There is no reason for them to use it, and then they use it intentionally to kill people. SE does frequently ban people for doing this in other ways, and this is just one more of them that should start being punished if they're not going to make it possible to turn off LB effects.
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    Avidria's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zegtry View Post
    To my knowledge there is nothing to limit the visual effect of the lbs, either you have everything or you have nothing. But it surprises me to see people wanting to lower the visual for the rdm. The lb 3 mage is rarely launched, have prioritizes especially the cac.
    Almost every time I've seen rdm lb3 used, it's either unintentionally or completely intentionally been timed with boss mechanics and killed at least one person
    One time it took out like half of an entire alliance. Hilarious but also kind of silly.

    I know rdms who time it like that on purpose to see how many people it takes out

    My gripe is that the rdm lb3 is actually really cool looking, and kind of pretty... But you can't freaking see it when it goes off unless you play around with it in goose a bunch. There's this whole black/white magic symbol thing in the middle that I never realized was there til I was, y'know, looking at it without also fighting a boss.

    It isn't common to see it, true, but toning the brightness down a little would only help imo

    Unless you like killing your teammates with an in game flash bomb
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    Meh.

    I've died to it, and have killed with it. It's just not a big deal to me, and actually kind of interesting being the LB that kills friend and foe alike. It would be something to actually see an entire alliance raid wipe as a result of the RDM using LB3. Kind of like a tornado. I know they are destructive and dangerous, but I can't help but want to see one up close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plastics View Post
    Like with anything else, if someone keeps getting reports against them, odds are they're trolling. I've seen quite a few 24 mans where LB3 is sat on for a good 3+ minutes until a specific mech that needs to be dodged, then out comes the RDM LB3. On a single boss, with melee in the party.
    Then why didnt the melee use it first? 5,000 not guilty cases don't make for one guilty case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bsrking5 View Post
    Then why didnt the melee use it first? 5,000 not guilty cases don't make for one guilty case.
    Because it's a 24 man and we're not going to get another one, so the general strategy is to wait until boss's HP is low and execute in case we need the healer LB3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plastics View Post
    Because it's a 24 man and we're not going to get another one, so the general strategy is to wait until boss's HP is low and execute in case we need the healer LB3.
    If that happens it's absolutely not on whichever DPS used the LB3, it's on people who failed the mechanic. "Save LB3 for healer" doesn't really have any reason to be spouted outside of ultimate/savage prog.
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    Kuwa Shirakami
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    I am fully aware that you may come across trolls who seek to kill the group, but can we condemn all red mages for this minority? A red mage must have impressive pyrotechnic effects and light, otherwise it's nothing more than a simple swordsman making a little light... So, if you don't want to see this tour de force that would make even a black mage jealous, force the cac to use their lb3.
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    Athelisia Lumi
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    I have most battle effects turned off so It'd be nice for this option as well. I understand the need for some visual due to knowing when an LB going off is good (as we're not always in pre-made parties) but not being absolutely blinded by healer or caster LBs would be awesome
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    If you're not using RDM's LB3 to wipe the raid, are you even using RDM's LB3 right?

    But no seriously, in most cases if a melee doesn't LB3 or if you have to hold it because your party is just that bad in regular content that you're most likely going to wipe without healer LB3, a RDM LB3 blinding the screen is the least of your worries.
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    Caster LB3 is more likely to wipe the raid than kill the boss.
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