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    Merrnryn's Avatar
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    Merrnryn Varlineau
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    Honestly, if people paid attention, Estinien is likely one of the cleanest characters we have, he is the only character to ever show open disgust at his armor being stained (stain people is not filth) and wants to do nothing more than to destroy it and reforge it completely. He is one of the only NPC's that changes clothes and has changed from civilian clothing to armor quest to quest. Alphinaud freaks out when you mention him not bathing.
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    TheRealQuah's Avatar
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    Q'hahtoa Quah
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    I believe that the correct answer to the "do we solo primals" is both yes and no.

    Being the reincarnation of Azem, our echo allows us to summon other parts of our sundered soul, in the same way Elidibus summons heores to fight us during the heroes gauntlet. So canonically, the 3 people we fight Ifrit with in normal are 3 summoned parts of our own soul. So we aren't alone, but it's also just other parts of our soul from other shards.

    Whilst we only find out about this power in 5.3, we have been using it all along since the beginning without knowing why or how. It does come across as something that was written later on to explain it, but I think it fits well.

    During the Seat of Sacrifice fight, Elidibus banishes us to the aetherial and thinks he has killed us, which we see we are brought back using the crystal by an echo of Emet-Selch - in this instance he has effectively raised us to the seat of Azem thus proving that we have been a shard of Azem all along. We were effectively raised in the same way that other ascians are after they have been defeated.
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    Cleretic's Avatar
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    Ein Dose
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    I believe that the correct answer to the "do we solo primals" is both yes and no.

    Being the reincarnation of Azem, our echo allows us to summon other parts of our sundered soul, in the same way Elidibus summons heores to fight us during the heroes gauntlet. So canonically, the 3 people we fight Ifrit with in normal are 3 summoned parts of our own soul. So we aren't alone, but it's also just other parts of our soul from other shards.

    Whilst we only find out about this power in 5.3, we have been using it all along since the beginning without knowing why or how. It does come across as something that was written later on to explain it, but I think it fits well.

    During the Seat of Sacrifice fight, Elidibus banishes us to the aetherial and thinks he has killed us, which we see we are brought back using the crystal by an echo of Emet-Selch - in this instance he has effectively raised us to the seat of Azem thus proving that we have been a shard of Azem all along. We were effectively raised in the same way that other ascians are after they have been defeated.
    Well that theory deflates the whole purpose of the Dying Gasp and Seat of Sacrifice as a climax. It is no longer a Big Deal Special Climax Thing, but rather, just... the same thing you think we've been doing the entire game up until this point, just with a bit more pomp and circumstance.
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  4. #24
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    MilkieTea's Avatar
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    C'erise Vanesse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrnryn View Post
    Honestly, if people paid attention, Estinien is likely one of the cleanest characters we have, he is the only character to ever show open disgust at his armor being stained (stain people is not filth) and wants to do nothing more than to destroy it and reforge it completely. He is one of the only NPC's that changes clothes and has changed from civilian clothing to armor quest to quest. Alphinaud freaks out when you mention him not bathing.
    Correction: Alphinaud acts like a teen boy when you mention him not bathing… which he is, ahah.

    It’s not really mentioned but I personally believe that the scions, at least, bathe whenever possible. I highly doubt Tataru would want them roaming the world smelling like death warmed over
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    Alenore's Avatar
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    Alenore Llohen
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealQuah View Post
    I believe that the correct answer to the "do we solo primals" is both yes and no.

    Being the reincarnation of Azem, our echo allows us to summon other parts of our sundered soul, in the same way Elidibus summons heores to fight us during the heroes gauntlet. So canonically, the 3 people we fight Ifrit with in normal are 3 summoned parts of our own soul. So we aren't alone, but it's also just other parts of our soul from other shards.

    Whilst we only find out about this power in 5.3, we have been using it all along since the beginning without knowing why or how. It does come across as something that was written later on to explain it, but I think it fits well.

    During the Seat of Sacrifice fight, Elidibus banishes us to the aetherial and thinks he has killed us, which we see we are brought back using the crystal by an echo of Emet-Selch - in this instance he has effectively raised us to the seat of Azem thus proving that we have been a shard of Azem all along. We were effectively raised in the same way that other ascians are after they have been defeated.
    What about instances where we were 8. We would have had to summon 7 people, which makes... 15 shards (8 of us, and 7 summoned).
    So, unlikely.
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