Why do people hate BRD?

[Tarrick]

Hmm interesting point, was BRD poorly received in ARR or Ff11 for not being a typical sword and shield knight? I’m aware it overshadowed MCH in SB and they were equals in HW. But the point misses the mark due to DNC popularity and assume it’ll remain a popular job in EW

BRD in FFXI was an actual Bard. Not a combatant in any way; they just played songs for party buffs. Because there was plenty of downtime in between those (buffs lasted 2 minutes if I remember correctly), they generally also roamed around and pulled mobs for the party. Exp parties in FFXI stayed in one spot while a puller went around to find a new one while the party was killing one and aggro'd it to bring back to the party camp site. It also helped that BRD could put one to sleep if the party wasn't quite done with the previous one yet.

Despite not directly engaging in combat, BRDs increased the group's ability to kill a mob, recover HP/MP, and be ready for the next mob faster than any other job in the game, period. Every single party wanted a BRD. If you were on BRD and put your looking for party flag up, you would be hit up within seconds guaranteed. They were amazing, people loved having them, and a lot of people loved playing them.

However, it was a different time, and apparently no more MMOs want to have dedicated buffers or dedicated debuffers/disablers that don't actually focus on beating stuff up anymore. Those abilities are now always spread out among the DPS, healers, and tanks to make them more interesting.

[SkyCake]

Because if you try to pronounce it like it was an abbreviation, then it just sounds like you're saying "bird" in an accent. I'm sorry, but someone had to chirp the truth.

I'm sorry. I pretty much agree with Rika! Also, Battle Voice

[Beddict]

I don't hate BRD, but I'm feeling a lot of what Rika said. BRD used to have more support with abilities like Foe Requiem, Refresh, Palisade, multiple Troubadour effects, a shorter recast on Minne. All that stuff is gone now, and it feels like BRD's support kit was gutted. Foe Requiem, gone. Refresh, gone. Palisade, gone. Troubadour, homogenized. Minne, basically a worse Mantra. I felt useful back in Stormblood because I could provide more to the party. Nowadays? Battle Voice. That's it, that's my support kit, because God knows SE ain't gonna make Warden's useful in raids, and the amount of damage Tanks take is so laughably low that Minne feels worse off. I am definitely one of those bitter BRD players that Rika mentioned, and I feel like SE killed my favourite Job so their shiny new DNC could show off. If SE doesn't want a lot of support Jobs, then why would they kill the one that already exists just for another. It genuinely feels like SE doesn't give a shit about the BRD player base, that if players want a support Job then they should just go play DNC.

So no, I don't hate BRD, but I sure as hell dislike the Job designers that killed my Job and designed DNC as a replacement. Currently, it feels like BRD (and the rest of the Physical Ranged Role) exist for two reasons: 1% Role bonus and LB Generation. Shit damage, gutted support kit, and Raids that don't take advantage of the strengths a Physical Ranged DPS brings to the table makes me a very dissatisfied BRD. I would love to hear what the hell the Job designers are thinking about when they sit down and look at Jobs, but the only communication we get from them is drip fed through Yoshi-P very rarely during Live Letters. Zero clue what the hell they're thinking, if anything at all, given the state of BRD.

[Naoki34]

ARC was my first class going into BRD and was mixed about it....until I actually learned it and read my tooltips and generally enjoyed it. SHB did it dirty and I know some of the disdain stems from the reduction of mana skills and crit procs, also I’m aware how bad the progression kit is when it comes to procs. And I know some people care about numbers, strangely more of the casual groups do aswell ,But OP or UP how it plays is what wins or loses people and I’m curious as to why BRD has a bad rep beyond these faults. Which aren’t real deal breakers for me

BRD is awesome, it ain’t flawless and I can see blatant issues and can probably make a spread sheet on how to improve it, but BRDs great. Not nearly enough people main it and it gets way to much hate while other jobs with controversial stuff needs more attention...or they just don’t like the playstyle and that’s fine and fair

I have nothing against BRD, but when I play it I get bored... Besides, I don't feel anything.

I really like the excitement of dancing with the AoEs in close combat, the positioning, etc.

It's a temperament thing too. I fall asleep with the BRD.

There are also people who are unable to play in close combat and prefer ranged jobs. Again, this is a matter of taste.

[Grimoire-M]

Personally as long as most of their proc related actions and the Refulgent Arrow buff get the ability to be stacked (whether through RA stacks or charge actions) I’d be content on the QoL of the current kit. There’s a great thread about that in particular that deserves a relink (EDIT: Here we go).

As for what I’d add? Increased Repertoire proc rate on Raging Strikes, Foes, and charges on Minne. song buffs being rolled into Foes would be ideal.

[Illmaeran]

Not going to lie, I enjoy BRD as it is now. Even though DRG is my first love, BRD is a very dear second to me. I played it through ARR and HW, stopped when StB was current, then recently took it up. DRG has become too much for me to handle after losing reflexes and mental flexibility due to some incredibly intense cancer treatment. While it breaks my heart to lose DRG as my main, the simpler nature of BRD's skill set and wider view of the battle is just right for me at this stage of the game. While I feel your collective pain with the significant changes to the class, I, for one, am grateful for BRD as it's given me renewed opportunity to participate in raids and trials I otherwise wouldn't be able to on DRG. Now I just need to figure out what y'all are talking about with forcing procs, when to use certain skills, etc.

[VictoriaLuv]

cause bard is top of the food chain of bad game design. and boring playstyle. but hey you get play music and not do anything remotely useful a shit ton of undertoned and unpowered ability's really bad animations a bards life is basically boring as hell

[Jirah]

cause bard is top of the food chain of bad game design. and boring playstyle. but hey you get play music and not do anything remotely useful a shit ton of undertoned and unpowered ability's really bad animations a bards life is basically boring as hell

Very subjective and overly dramatic

[Shurrikhan]

Very subjective and overly dramatic

Psssh. What else are forums for?

*Glances back at Kabooa's first-page.*

Wait, we can actually partake in procedural evaluation around criteria generated from consensus opinions based upon reasonably well-understood existing states, precedents, and trends? Who knew?

[Kabooa]

It can be for two things.