Quick thought with paladin and 1.22b

[Ramesses]

Excellent discussion to be honest... and I found the debate very enlightening. Huge credit should be given to the developers for really tweaking (and continuing to tweak?) the Paladin class

One thing that I will also agree upon is that Paladin needs a couple additional skills that helps to spike and maintain enimity... perhaps adding Provoke from the MRD skill set really would make this work.

It should also be noted that sometimes, a couple other job classes really could help paladin tank properly, similar to how in FFXI (on certain HNM boss fights), PLD and NIN could bounce hate. Just a thought.

[Firon]

Um... I'm pretty sure str helps reduce the dmg when you block with shields....

[SwordCoheir]

Um... I'm pretty sure str helps reduce the dmg when you block with shields....

May have been the case pre-1.22, but everything's a floored % reduced now so it doesn't really matter at the moment.

[Hedge]

As a PLD, in terms of enmity generation against most WAR's, I beat them hands down, every time (this is not every WAR, I know there are those who are better. There is always someone better then you :P). I don't get picked to tank for the 2 simple reasons of that I have lower HP than a WAR, and I don't do significant damage.

These are both things I personally can live with. I don't want them to nerf WAR, all that i would like to see is Holy Succor go instant cast (for hate and curing myself before the WHMs get there / I'm interrupted), def raised to higher than a WARs, and Hallowed ground to cover magic as well as physical damage, 'cause most bosses attacks have some element associated with them and in a pinch Hallowed ground doesn't help.

[KumaAkuma]

What Plds should be mad about is that SE isn't releasing any large / alliance based content. In a very large group, people will want the best tank possible and don't care about if the tank is a good damage dealer or not. That's the place where a turtle tank, like Pld, should be shining.

[Duelle]

What Plds should be mad about is that SE isn't releasing any large / alliance based content. In a very large group, people will want the best tank possible and don't care about if the tank is a good damage dealer or not. That's the place where a turtle tank, like Pld, should be shining.

That's more an attempt to sidestep the problem instead of solve it. Not to mention that having a "best" tank should not be the goal. Multiple tank classes are a good thing. Just like multiple healers.

[waldo]

That's more an attempt to sidestep the problem instead of solve it. Not to mention that having a "best" tank should not be the goal. Multiple tank classes are a good thing. Just like multiple healers.

Exactly why we have two healing classes.

[KumaAkuma]

That's more an attempt to sidestep the problem instead of solve it. Not to mention that having a "best" tank should not be the goal. Multiple tank classes are a good thing. Just like multiple healers.

I'm just saying Pld has their own niche, but SE doesn't provide content for that niche.

[Enfarious]

I'm just saying Pld has their own niche, but SE doesn't provide content for that niche.

There's that, but content like the Primals should be that niche shouldn't it, single mob single tank, where PLD supposedly should shine, but nope it's WAR content, no DRGs MNKs or PLDs allowed lol

[KumaAkuma]

There's that, but content like the Primals should be that niche shouldn't it, single mob single tank, where PLD supposedly should shine, but nope it's WAR content, no DRGs MNKs or PLDs allowed lol

I don't really get why Pld should shine in single mob content. And the situation I described can be multi mob content too.