Explorer's Tabard (Why?)

[Tango]

the argument on hauby > tortoiss is moot if you don't have tripple melded pie body. You have to remember in order to craft hauby it costs easily 3x as much per synth. Also HQ'ing tortoiss is a piece of cake, I went 10/10 and then of the 10 hq's I got a tripple pie body among a few double crit power's and sold a few to make the whole process free. Hauby is a freeking bitch to HQ, making all those damn HQ ingots > rings is very annoying rather then:
ingot (low lvl synth)
shell(5-10k on wards hq)
boar leather (low lvl synth)
raptor leather (easy synth with at least 1 hq skin + hq alumen)

[Mister-Wonderful]

the argument on hauby > tortoiss is moot if you don't have tripple melded pie body. You have to remember in order to craft hauby it costs easily 3x as much per synth. Also HQ'ing tortoiss is a piece of cake, I went 10/10 and then of the 10 hq's I got a tripple pie body among a few double crit power's and sold a few to make the whole process free. Hauby is a freeking bitch to HQ, making all those damn HQ ingots > rings is very annoying rather then:
ingot (low lvl synth)
shell(5-10k on wards hq)
boar leather (low lvl synth)
raptor leather (easy synth with at least 1 hq skin + hq alumen)

I don't quite understand why the arguement is moot unless you have triple pie melded.

with a triple pie body you should already be blowing stat cap way out of the water and hauby would still be better due to base strength and attack instead of additional piety and attack. I can do about 373 strength and 320 piety with a triple meld hauby, even allowing me to wear Darklight Eyepatch instead of the darklight helm because i dont need the strength, allowing me to increase crit rate/crit attack while still capping stats.

It is a preference thing either way, and you should choose what works for your gearset, but I see the hauby as the more beneficial piece any way you slice it.

And there is a very minimal difference in stats between HQ and nq, 1 additional attack power from hq tortoise(so 3 higher than hauby in total) and ease of HQ are not enough to make me want to lose 6 str and accuracy for it. Pie is capped easily with either body and I prefer extra strength/acc.

[HoolieWho]

I don't quite understand why the arguement is moot unless you have triple pie melded.

with a triple pie body you should already be blowing stat cap way out of the water and hauby would still be better due to base strength and attack instead of additional piety and attack. I can do about 373 strength and 320 piety with a triple meld hauby, even allowing me to wear Darklight Eyepatch instead of the darklight helm because i dont need the strength, allowing me to increase crit rate/crit attack while still capping stats.

It is a preference thing either way, and you should choose what works for your gearset, but I see the hauby as the more beneficial piece any way you slice it.

And there is a very minimal difference in stats between HQ and nq, 1 additional attack power from hq tortoise(so 3 higher than hauby in total) and ease of HQ are not enough to make me want to lose 6 str and accuracy for it. Pie is capped easily with either body and I prefer extra strength/acc.

I think the HQ body is for the higher double/triple meld chance. While Cobalt Haubergeon might be the better body choice, as a practical matter the stack of HQ bodies you need for double/triple melding might dictate going with the Tortoiseshell armor instead.

Once you can go above STR/PIE caps, then the question is how does Crit gear stack up? Especially after last patch I don't know the answer to this.

Can you list your gear set? Since you are above the STR cap (I assume) you might be better off with a Crit Atk body.

[Mister-Wonderful]

I think the HQ body is for the higher double/triple meld chance. While Cobalt Haubergeon might be the better body choice, as a practical matter the stack of HQ bodies you need for double/triple melding might dictate going with the Tortoiseshell armor instead.

Once you can go above STR/PIE caps, then the question is how does Crit gear stack up? Especially after last patch I don't know the answer to this.

Can you list your gear set? Since you are above the STR cap (I assume) you might be better off with a Crit Atk body.

Well I am definitely above STR cap with my usual set but have been also testing the 2nd build with more Crit Atk and that could possibly benefit more from a crit atk melded body than the piety I have, but I have a +40 PIE body and that is what is doing most of my Pie cap, so I would take a heavy hit in that respect but without testing it there is no way of knowing if its better or worse

I'm currently working on melding a Rainmaker's Tunic with Crit attack, once I get at least a double I'll start messing around with more Crit attack body and see how my parses stack up

*I also eat Jerked beef bringing my Pie to about 313 first pic and 316 in the 2nd pic.

My Main build

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...6/dragoon1.png



MH: Garuda's Beak
Head: Darklight Helm
Body: Cobalt Hauby +40 piety
Waist: Scarlet Sash
Hands: Fingerless Raptorskin Gloves of Slaying +45 str triple meld
Legs: Felt Trousers with 20 STR
Feet: Darklight Sollerets (would probably still swap these for caligae, as I just recently got them)
Earrings: Explorer's Earrings
Neck: Electrum Gorget +1
Wrist: Tourmaline Bracelet
Rings: x1 Rubelite Ring +1 x1 Tourmaline Ring +1
Food: Jerked Beef
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Crit attack build (In progress :P )

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...6/dragoon2.png




MH: Garuda's Beak
Head: Darklight Eyepatch
Body: Cobalt Hauby +40 piety
Waist: Scarlet Sash
Hands: Fingerless Raptorskin Gloves of Slaying +45 str triple meld
Legs: Felt Trousers with 20 STR
Feet: Darklight Caligae
Earrings: Explorer's Earrings
Neck: Explorer's Choker
Wrist: Tourmaline Bracelet
Rings: x2 Rubelite Ring +1
Food: Jerked Beef