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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Neither labeling the "post-processed dogfood" more clearly as "dogsh*t" nor following the reverse as to euphemize will it make it any less fecal in nature, though.

    The main problem remains: it's limited to a certain span of content, just as a certain section of content is limited to it.
    Couldn't you literally apply the exact wording of your second sentence toward several other jobs though for reasons that I previously stated? It seems kind of broadly written and could also be used by others for say a certain gatherer job that they didn't personally like, among other possible examples.

    Your first sentence also contains loaded language, since not everyone here thinks that the current gameplay mechanics around Blue Mage are necessarily bad; they certainly have room for gradual improvements though, as can certain mechanics across any job, but with regards to what and how will differ between different groups of people.
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  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Couldn't you literally apply the exact wording of your second sentence toward several other jobs though for reasons that I previously stated? It seems kind of broadly written and could also be used by others for say a certain gatherer job that they didn't personally like, among other possible examples.
    There's a difference between a non-combat staple like Gathering or Crafting, even if I'm honestly not a fan of their being quite so isolated as they are (mostly just because I dislike that gatherers, having being made complete non-combatants, are restricted to grinding small, contrived node loops instead of being allowed to interact with the larger world), and having a "Combat class, but not for group content, unless it's 10 levels outdated, and at a lower cap, and therefore not relevant to any expansion for so long as that expansion is current."
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 10-28-2021 at 07:18 PM.

  3. #73
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    Fisher has its own side content unlike other gatherers. However, it can also level up to the cap, share gear and melds with other gatherers, contribute to end game crafting and do new expansion content like beast tribes. Its log gets updated with new fish in new maps and those fish also have uses in housing just like seeds collected through botany or topsoil collected by mining.

    That's what BLU should have been. A mage among other mages. If beast master gets the same treatment as blue mage did, I will hate it.
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  4. #74
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    Negative Nancy here. I would rather resources go towards “real” content. BLU was fun for a couple of days and they’ve done a good job at creating content for it.

    Creating a new job, even a limited one where balance doesn’t matter must be a lot of work. Jobs like BST and PUP are pet classes which historically haven’t worked well in this game. Case in point summoner and it’s rework.

    That being said, I really liked BLU in ffxi, and I will always be bummed that it will never be a job I can use in modern content.

    With limited job content I always wonder what content could have been created by those developers
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sequora View Post
    Negative Nancy here. I would rather resources go towards “real” content. BLU was fun for a couple of days and they’ve done a good job at creating content for it.

    Creating a new job, even a limited one where balance doesn’t matter must be a lot of work. Jobs like BST and PUP are pet classes which historically haven’t worked well in this game. Case in point summoner and it’s rework.

    That being said, I really liked BLU in ffxi, and I will always be bummed that it will never be a job I can use in modern content.

    With limited job content I always wonder what content could have been created by those developers
    My hope is that the time that would be spent on the next limited job will instead be spent on "finishing" Blue Mage.
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    My hope is that the time that would be spent on the next limited job will instead be spent on "finishing" Blue Mage.
    What does "finishing" it entail?
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    What does "finishing" it entail?
    Doing whatever it takes to make the class viable in current group content so that a mainline FF job is no longer reduced to a minigame that only has activity during moogle events.

    Add a mandatory list of spells to learn before you can queue for content and block the meme spells when you’re playing normally with others. It’s that simple. We do not need another update to this job with 100+ copies of the same potency spell again, and we certainly don't need to add another job into a system that isn't going anywhere.
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  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
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    BLU will only be "finished" when it can also play as a traditional DoM?
    Is that a definition of "finished" some of us are trying to force on BLU?
    Or have SQEX mentioned they have this in their BLUprints?
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  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    BLU will only be "finished" when it can also play as a traditional DoM?
    Is that a definition of "finished" some of us are trying to force on BLU?
    Or have SQEX mentioned they have this in their BLUprints?
    At this point the most economical use of resources would be to restructure Blue Mage as the dot caster that the game is now missing. Until it can actually be used in relevant content and not just content that I already cleared when it launched and got the rewards from already, it will always be unfinished in my eyes. Square enix has barely said anything about Blue Mage because the job is only a topic of discussion during limited time events.

    It feels no different from a special gacha summon that'll only be around for a couple of weeks or so, if not less time. At least a 5 star summon can be taken into whatever the gacha's core content is. Why should this game which is also lacking a naturey beast tamer type job subject the people who want to play as that to another minigame that will go nowhere when WoW released a beast master in 2004 that can do content with other people normally?
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  10. #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    At this point the most economical use of resources would be to restructure Blue Mage as the dot caster that the game is now missing. Until it can actually be used in relevant content and not just content that I already cleared when it launched and got the rewards from already, it will always be unfinished in my eyes. Square enix has barely said anything about Blue Mage because the job is only a topic of discussion during limited time events.

    It feels no different from a special gacha summon that'll only be around for a couple of weeks or so, if not less time. At least a 5 star summon can be taken into whatever the gacha's core content is. Why should this game which is also lacking a naturey beast tamer type job subject the people who want to play as that to another minigame that will go nowhere when WoW released a beast master in 2004 that can do content with other people normally?
    Needing a DoT-focused caster doesn't mean BLU has to fill that niche. You can literally create any job for that spot. Green Mage, Spiritualist, Elementalist are some jobs from FF-adjacent series that could fit the bill all while not turning BLU into something it isn't.
    Seeing as BLU is used as a "Wondrous Tails but as a job", I don't think SE minds that people treat as such. Not like this is new. It's been almost three years now since BLU was announced and we are still talking in these dumb circles.

    Two very different games and two very different approaches to the archetype. Clearly SE sees these niche jobs as more in the vein of other Final Fantasy games than anything WoW-related. BST is likely to be inspired by FFV, FFTA and FFXI than anything Blizzard put out. So... charming random monsters with diversity of traits, collecting and placing them in pens and training them, the whole she-bang. That's a little more complicated than random rangers with generic pets with almost nothing unique or interesting about them.
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