Whats the deal with tanks recently?

[Larirawiel]

yes, because it means you tried, hell, I'd even go as far and say that one should try the very same pull again, maybe their mitigation was still on CD or the DPS' went through their burst phase in an earlier pull and thus couldn't dish out enough damage, but now with everyone respawned the abilities are off CD and ready to be used
it's better to try over and over again than to not try at all

That's the difference. I prefer achieving and not trying. When i see that the healer has a sprout icon or i know that the trash hits really hard then i will not pull five groups at once and wipe the group. Because it will highly demotivate the healer and make the rest of the group angry. And when the group wipes over and over again then it costs more time then only pulling two groups at once.

Cheers

[nebby00]

Wow.. again? Geez, I can't escape this topic of an argument anymore. It keeps popping up everywhere, and at risk of sounding like a broken record; I'll give my two cents.

If a tank is pulling single pulls and are not using their AoE rotation on top of it; they are not performing their role properly. Period. This is excusable in the beginning three dungeons where they are learning; and I recommend to everyone to point this out and tell them to use their AoE on groups of mobs, then encourage them after the first three dungeons to start pulling more. This is the only way they're going to learn how to improve, if they don't step out of their comfort zone of pulling single groups or are unable to, then give them the recommendation to run dungeons with squadrons/trusts or their FC or friends. Wasting a group's time is not cool, nor is it good to not say anything when there is an opportunity to give advice to improve another player's performance when they are doing poorly in group content.

Now, if they respond with getting angry or telling someone that they "don't pay their sub", either votekick or leave. It's that simple. No one is required to put up with a pace that they do not want to deal with, and vice versa.

Regardless, tanks by a certain point in game, especially around 61 - 80 should be pulling two packs at once and be able to use their defensive cooldowns. If they are still not doing so and are still doing their single target combo, then they are doing their role poorly and it isn't acceptable since they aren't putting the effort in to learn. Which again, votekick or leave if you ask them or advise them to change and they don't take it. You should be competent enough by Stormblood, all of the "training wheels" must come off by then since they're going to reach the current expansion content afterward where not a lot of people have the patience to deal with it. Better to improve earlier on than to have a major problem once you reach endgame.

[_Pigzig]

I just do what I feel like when I tank
I don't pull more than I feel like

[Xtrasweettea]

Tank Complaint with PSA #100.

Look, another person who got inconvenienced in a dungeon by a tank. A context lacking tank they didn’t bring… in a dungeon that is unknown. Not only did they inconvenience you and made you spend more time in a dungeon than you would have liked, but they also made you spend time and calories posting the 100th “Tanks bad with PSA” thread in the Official Forums.

Seriously, there’s no point in making these “tanks bad” threads. Those “bad tanks” you ran into don’t read the forums.

What do you expect of the outcome of this? Do you think tank mains are a collective and we hold meetings or something? Hey fellow tanks, remember to use your AOEs on packs. We got another negative feedback this week. We can’t afford to have any more negative feedback, or we’ll not get our bonuses this quarter. Also, the community wants you to just tank whatever they pull, no questions ask.

If you have a grievance with a tank, bring it up with that tank! Not here. Or better, yet just kick the tank. You have Vote Dismiss for a reason.

[Baxcel]

Look, another person who got inconvenienced in a dungeon by a tank. A context lacking tank they didn’t bring… in a dungeon that is unknown. Not only did they inconvenience you and made you spend more time in a dungeon than you would have liked, but they also made you spend time and calories posting the 100th “Tanks bad with PSA” thread in the Official Forums.

Seriously, there’s no point in making these “tanks bad” threads. Those “bad tanks” you ran into don’t read the forums.

What do you expect of the outcome of this? Do you think tank mains are a collective and we hold meetings or something? Hey fellow tanks, remember to use your AOEs on packs. We got another negative feedback this week. We can’t afford to have any more negative feedback, or we’ll not get our bonuses this quarter. Also, the community wants you to just tank whatever they pull, no questions ask.

If you have a grievance with a tank, bring it up with that tank! Not here. Or better, yet just kick the tank. You have Vote Dismiss for a reason.

Dang it.. your not suppose to mention the meetings!!! Now we gotta hold a new meeting to reschedule the other meeting to another meeting so the DPS don't try and break in again.. plus those dang Astros.. they always find us.. stupid future cards..

But anyways.. your seeing an influx of bad tanks right now because they don't have a method of teaching them that's required.. most tank mains like myself have been maxed on all 4 tanks for a while and only jump back in when new story happens and are spending the rest of the time leveling other jobs or not playing.

So you have new players on tanks.. not being taught because until the hard primals there's only 1 tank per party.. theyre just brute forcing dungeons with players and no one is talk or teaching.. then instead of talking to the player people come on here and screech about bad tanks.. work with them ingame instead of crying about it here.. or better yet.. learn to tank yourself

[Hanayumi]

Keep in mind Wars still need to single target combo 1st for the buff before AoE'ing, and some Gnbs might single target combo for heal/shield since aoe doesn't provide it. Hopefully they change come EW launch, but yeah no other reasons not to AoE...

[RitsukoSonoda]

Sometimes I stop doing AoE just to see if the DPS are paying attention and targeting the same enemy I am... >.> It's a habit from other MMOs

[Ashima]

I mean, if the DPS pull everything and run it back to me, cowabunga it is. I normally pull 3 or 4 mobs to gauge the healer. If the healer gives me a thumbs up, I pull more and go faster. I have too many awful memories of Mythic plus runs in WoW dying at the first pull cause it was too much.

[ExileOmnisoul]

It is common courtesy to only pull if you’re tanking. Also most seasoned tanks tend to remove themselves from this situation the same as seasoned healers when the tables are turned.

[Rinhi]

most seasoned tanks aren't saying bs like "you pull it or tank it" or 'remove themselves from the situation' and just AOE the mobs that a dps/healer pulled instead /shrug