[Question] Why do casual players suddenly want XIV to die?

[Kyoshirin]

I don't understand it at all. There's been a large number of people aggressively attacking new players recently and I don't understand it at all.

People are constantly attacking and harassing people because a few streamers recently have been reskinning their UI into something that makes the game accessible for them.

A lot of players from other games - namely WoW - are used to UIs that are presented significantly differently than XIV's UI. So they have been using mods that change the way the information is presented to them. Nothing else. None of these UI mods give any advantage to them in any way, they just change the visuals to something they are familiar with so that they can actually play the game.

Because this reskinning doesn't give any advantage that isn't already in the game, there's no way it can impact high end gameplay. Even if it did, it doesn't affect anyone that doesn't want to use them. Some person I've never met using a mod doesn't affect how fast I clear a savage tier in the slightest.

Personally I feel that the game's base UI is fantastic and there's no need to change it, however everyone has their own things that make them comfortable and they should be allowed to.

Every single high end player I've talked to or heard opinions from is in favor as well, because it doesn't affect them and increases player population by increasing game accessibility.

It's very well known that the "no 3rd party programs" mentioned in the ToS is primarily used to prevent harassment due to damage meters (I was literally told this day 2 of playing by a stranger) and to prevent lewd mods for lalafells.

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The most important part of this is that a majority of the people using these reskins are all new players, coming from WoW.

And as such, there is a portion of the playerbase that is actively attacking and harassing new players during one of the largest growth rate periods the game has seen in it's history.

This harassment will undoubtedly push new players away from the game, or present the image that XIV has a toxic community (which at this point I have no way to deny - the number of toxic people harassing sprouts and new players out of game has been insane lately)

Pushing new players away from the game and presenting the image of a toxic community that pushes new players away are the two ways to stagnate game growth and kill a game before it's time.

Who would want to play a game where they are hated and harassed the moment they leave character creation? Why do all these toxic casuals want to kill the game?

[Krotoan]

I don't understand it at all. There's been a large number of people aggressively attacking new players recently and I don't understand it at all.

People are constantly attacking and harassing people because a few streamers recently have been reskinning their UI into something that makes the game accessible for them.

where is this happening? I don't ever hear anything in game and here in the forums is not " a large number".. that's just troll threads really. Look at the names.. see them happen again and again with contrary takes on every subject.


I'm curious where you're seeing people being "attacked" except for people posting here and possibly reporting former WoW content creators, in which case haters will ALWAYS find something to harass them with.

[ItMe]

People are constantly attacking and harassing people because a few streamers recently have been reskinning their UI into something that makes the game accessible for them. [...] Why[?]

If you are talking about the WoW mods, we actually have a whole thread going about that here:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-%28ui-mods%29

If not, please ignore my whole post because it will be irrelevant to your concern.

Tl : dr
Harassment is never ok, but to answer your question about why people are upset:

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

[...]Even taking the console argument away, SE has historically done a great job making addons not feel necessary to make good progress. But the more people who use them, the more people expect others to use them and it becomes a gatekeeping issue to progress in high end content. I know it for a fact, I've seen it in other games and it's already becoming a problem that will only grow. Don't use damage meters? No invite. Don't use addons to automark things? No invite. It's time to put the foot down.

Again though, the harassment is not ok and that's going way too far.

[Kes13a]

if you see something reportable.. REPORT IT.

its as simple as that. SE does this one thing reasonably well, and they will do something about people attacking/harassing others in game.

how do you know these people are...casual? is there a new flag I do not know about?

There was already a thread about UI mods by the way. if people are attacking /harassing others over their use, either for or against... REPORT THEM.

your post is kind of all over by the way, first on about people harassing new player, the next, on about the UI.

its rather confusing to be honest

[Kyuuen]

I don't care if people change their UI or use mods (cact being an exception), but you'll have to forgive me for laughing at the ones claiming they like a challenge then do everything to make this game what it isn't... aka WoW. But hey, do you.

[LianaThorne]

I don't think it's the mods or UI tbh (similar mods have existed for quite some time here) I think it's more that trying to push a mentality that it should look/function more like WoW (while also watching streamers use these mods live and not have punishment given to them since they are against the ToS) is gonna clash with people. Like, ya'll chose to come here, why not play by our rules for a while?

At the very least they should be kept private like we have to keep them and those that use them publicly (famous or not) should be held to the same standards as everyone else if they flaunt them publicly.

[Bacent]

The loud few don't speak for the mass

[Reap00]

I don't understand it at all. There's been a large number of people aggressively attacking new players recently and I don't understand it at all.

People are constantly attacking and harassing people because a few streamers recently have been reskinning their UI into something that makes the game accessible for them.

A lot of players from other games - namely WoW - are used to UIs that are presented significantly differently than XIV's UI. So they have been using mods that change the way the information is presented to them. Nothing else. None of these UI mods give any advantage to them in any way, they just change the visuals to something they are familiar with so that they can actually play the game.

Because this reskinning doesn't give any advantage that isn't already in the game, there's no way it can impact high end gameplay. Even if it did, it doesn't affect anyone that doesn't want to use them. Some person I've never met using a mod doesn't affect how fast I clear a savage tier in the slightest.

Personally I feel that the game's base UI is fantastic and there's no need to change it, however everyone has their own things that make them comfortable and they should be allowed to.

Every single high end player I've talked to or heard opinions from is in favor as well, because it doesn't affect them and increases player population by increasing game accessibility.

It's very well known that the "no 3rd party programs" mentioned in the ToS is primarily used to prevent harassment due to damage meters (I was literally told this day 2 of playing by a stranger) and to prevent lewd mods for lalafells.

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The most important part of this is that a majority of the people using these reskins are all new players, coming from WoW.

And as such, there is a portion of the playerbase that is actively attacking and harassing new players during one of the largest growth rate periods the game has seen in it's history.

This harassment will undoubtedly push new players away from the game, or present the image that XIV has a toxic community (which at this point I have no way to deny - the number of toxic people harassing sprouts and new players out of game has been insane lately)

Pushing new players away from the game and presenting the image of a toxic community that pushes new players away are the two ways to stagnate game growth and kill a game before it's time.

Who would want to play a game where they are hated and harassed the moment they leave character creation? Why do all these toxic casuals want to kill the game?

Mods are against the ToS and you are a single post troll.

[Avidria]

I spent far too long trying to figure out wtf the title has to do with the post and think I just took like 3d6 psychic damage so gg I guess

[Nothv13]

Mods are against the ToS and you are a single post troll.

Yoshi-P has spoken on this. Acording to him technically Discord, any razer, logitech, etc program are against the ToS. He also stated that if youare getting in trouble for the 3rd party things, it is likely something far more serious that led to than simply using a 3rd party thing.