SECOND Job Stones for base classes of ARR?

[Tonkra]

The devs have not changed their stance on this issue and have said it’s hard to do, and easier to just make a new job entirely.

As i said in one post above you: "the devs" said is no argument. Whats your personal argument on that?

The devs said earlier on that we never get to summon Titan, Garuda or Ifrit with the summoner (lore wise) and here we go (after years of player feedback).
Please give your own opinion instead of this "but the devs said". I guess we are on a discussion board here? Otherwise it feels very "fangirlish" (comply with the devs opinion).

[kaynide]

As i said in one post above you: "the devs" said is no argument. Whats your personal argument on that?

The devs said earlier on that we never get to summon Titan, Garuda or Ifrit with the summoner (lore wise) and here we go (after years of player feedback).
Please give your own opinion instead of this "but the devs said". I guess we are on a discussion board here? Otherwise it feels very "fangirlish" (comply with the devs opinion).

I agree with the devs; I would rather a completely new job with completely new weapons, not “Paladin, but he’s a healer now”.

It doesn’t serve the game- having a player spend less time in game, by way of leveling jobs, loses revenue if you level two jobs at once. It uses dev resources that should be used elsewhere.

It doesn’t serve the player well, as a player might level job X exclusively on dps, then be pressured to heal or tank which they have no experience and possibly interest in doing. It’s not useful in niche situations like open world or solo quests because any job can do the content, so you don’t need to switch to something else to get over some hurdle.

Regarding summoner, there is a difference in a very minor mechanic/visual effect and and entire system/merging of two separate jobs.

[ForteNightshade]

As i said in one post above you: "the devs" said is no argument. Whats your personal argument on that?

A waste of time. Why try and shoehorn in classes/jobs together instead of simply creating an entirely new job which will achieve exactly the same result? Taking your own example, Beast Master has pretty much nothing whatsoever to do with Marauder or Warrior. Lumping the two together accomplishes absolutely nothing that simply releasing Beast Master as a new job doesn't already. Would Dark Knight have been better if it branched off Gladiator? Probably not seeing they wouldn't have their unique lore but piggyback off existing Gladiator stuff.

With all that being said. This whole discussion is rather pointless because what the devs said is an argument. They aren't ever going to implement branching classes like this. So it doesn't matter if some people want it. Several people want the job complexity seen in Heavensward to make a return. Discussing it doesn't really amount to much when Yoshida said outright they have no intention of going in that direction. Before you say "maybe they'll change their mind". They've been splitting up SCH/SMN more every expansion. Literally all the two jobs share nowadays is Resurrection and Physick. The dev team has been pretty consistent on decoupling as much as they possibly can from both jobs.

[Penthea]

As i said in one post above you: "the devs" said is no argument. Whats your personal argument on that?

The devs said earlier on that we never get to summon Titan, Garuda or Ifrit with the summoner (lore wise) and here we go (after years of player feedback).
Please give your own opinion instead of this "but the devs said". I guess we are on a discussion board here? Otherwise it feels very "fangirlish" (comply with the devs opinion).

We still won't. They appear briefly to do a cool thing and that's it. We won't be running around with the primals right beside us all the time. Mechanically speaking they're just a cool spell that lasts a few seconds.

[NatePride]

As i said in one post above you: "the devs" said is no argument. Whats your personal argument on that?

The devs said earlier on that we never get to summon Titan, Garuda or Ifrit with the summoner (lore wise) and here we go (after years of player feedback).
Please give your own opinion instead of this "but the devs said". I guess we are on a discussion board here? Otherwise it feels very "fangirlish" (comply with the devs opinion).

The devs said no.
That is the ONLY reason needed as they are the ones who make the game and make the choices.