Mch needs more

[zonol]

Is this is caster fantasy 14? Or is physical range dps especially mch is not a thing? They reworked smn like 5 times already. But have no time to put in more effort into phy range dps especially mch. You can go back and watch when they were discussing phy range dps. Listen how depressing the list translator and yoshi p sound. Like they hate that job. The fact they said you can't do much to it? Shows they know nothing about flamethrower problems etc. As long as the community stay quiet they will not care. Queen should be used more. Or give us more mechs? Why did we go back to get a 1970s shot gun? Where are the rickets? Lasers? Oh wait... the lasers are w with sage. Lol by now we should have a king mech? They could use the old mechs from Alexander raid. Melee form,range,magic,tank mechs. You can make ruby weapon etc. But no new mechs? This is gunner with queen

[CKNovel]

Soooooooooooooooooo... Yes, there's topics like this a bit everywhere.
I'd just like to point out that the side of the community who fully enjoys MCH is mostly composed of casuals. They don't know about the many problems of the job until they face those. Most of them have no idea that Flamethrower is the lowest priority of aoes, or about the Flamethrower tick fishing.
Job action was safe but uncreative, gotta agree.

SMN really needed a rework but they sure have a bias towards caster. If you compare MCH rework and DRK rework to SMN rework, it jumps to the eyes.
SMN gets a crap ton of work each expansion and they're even reluctant to nerf the job regardless of how broken it is.

But that SMN reworks seems final and honestly feels like the MCH curse. A job designed for my grandma.

[ItMe]

Most of them have no idea that Flamethrower is the lowest priority of aoes, or about the Flamethrower tick fishing.

At risk of exposing my ignorance, what the heck are these?
I think I may be familiar with the concepts, but I've never heard these terms before.

[CKNovel]

At risk of exposing my ignorance, what the heck are these?
I think I may be familiar with the concepts, but I've never heard these terms before.

Oh I thought it was common knowledge, maybe not?

As you probably know, Flamethrower acts in a unique way:
For the next 10 seconds you will deal damages worth of 100 potency every seconds in front of you. sq

If I remember well, at the beginning of ShB, Flamethrower was a simple cooldown so you could use it and grab 2 ticks worth of 100 potency.
Now that it triggers the GCD, you can't do that as it's not worth losing a GCD.

Today, it's most likely used before a boss reappear. Between the time you target the boss and cancel Flamethrower with a GCD, you have a small chance of getting a tick in there.
Every minutes, when the boss is not targetable, you have an occasion to gain 100 potency. What really makes it annoying to use is that sometimes, you need to Reassemble -> Flamethrower -> Boss is targetable -> Break with Drill.
Reassemble is only 5 seconds so you need to time it really well... or use external tools but I've never digged into this. If you fail, you lose Reassemble and it's not even garanteed to get the 100 potency.

Obviously, so much trouble for 100 potency is more than often not worh the pain.
Even then, it's quite annoying that it exist when tried to optimize your performances.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

I'd just like to point out that the side of the community who fully enjoys MCH is mostly composed of casuals. They don't know about the many problems of the job until they face those. Most of them have no idea that Flamethrower is the lowest priority of aoes, or about the Flamethrower tick fishing.

This reply carries a thick stench of elitism.

[ItMe]

Snipping info about Tick Fishing

Ah. Gotcha gotcha.
I didn't realize there was a term for this trick, thank you~

But what's this about it being the "lowest priority AoE?"
I didn't realize moves had priority. What do you mean by this?

[Shurrikhan]

This reply carries a thick stench of elitism.

It's more alike to a musky scent of age... as opposed to that of a job reduced to infancy (5.x MCH).

[VentVanitas]

Elitism or not, they're still right about Flamethrower and the fact that it remains as it is, is astoundingly baffling. Even from a casual perspective, the feedback from it is so laughably non-existent, you don't even know if you're doing damage with it or not unless you want to squint really hard at numbers. (Or use external means)

[Kabooa]

Soooooooooooooooooo... Yes, there's topics like this a bit everywhere.
I'd just like to point out that the side of the community who fully enjoys MCH is mostly composed of casuals. They don't know about the many problems of the job until they face those. Most of them have no idea that Flamethrower is the lowest priority of aoes, or about the Flamethrower tick fishing.

Just doing some quick napkin math with potency values, and Spread spam is lowest aoe priority even counting heat and subsequent autocrossbow.

It's Bio (360/GCD) -> BS Auto (300) -> Flamethrower (250) -> Spread Spam (207)

Cursory searching shows Flamethrower fishing being less than .2% of your total damage. This is significantly less than Stormblood Seigan (Shadowbringer Seigan is a little higher) and that was safely ignorable.

That said, Flamethrower and Bioblaster really should have an interaction with each other - Both to spice up AoE, and potentially be something you change up your ST rotation around when Flamethrower is ready.

[Rongway]

Just doing some quick napkin math with potency values, and Spread spam is lowest aoe priority even counting heat and subsequent autocrossbow.

It's Bio (360/GCD) -> BS Auto (300) -> Flamethrower (250) -> Spread Spam (207)

Here are the per-second values:

Bioblaster: 360p / 2.5s = 144p/s
Autocrossbow: 180p / 1.5s = 120p/s
Flamethrower: 100p/s (Flamethrower ticks 1tick/s instead of the usual 1tick/3s)
Spread Shot: 180p /2.5s = 72p/s

even counting heat

Heat doesn't affect AoE actions, so you only have to worry about Autocrossbow being on a minimal GCD.