to Future DRK Players

[Lyth]

A 300 dps difference is large when tanks are only doing 3k damage. We've had this argument many times back in Stormblood, so you can go back and read through both them and the actual data if you flip back through the forums. I also don't cherry pick percentiles, which is why I posted the full data set back then. Enjoy.

[Hierro]

Checking across all percentiles is cherry picking? Golly. You know what is cherry picking? Zooming in on the singular ~300 disparity back in deltascape and ignoring the other 2/3rds of the expansion-- as if 300 was "large."

[Duskane]

DPS was a problem in Stormblood when DRK had no utility or anything to back up its lack of damage
and Meta mentality was strong in SB .
now DPS is hardly an issue between tank
Missionary aint anything to write home about but its better than Divine veil

now DRK is just a mess in other ways

[Mortex]

After all these years, I can't believe you still believe this. Some things never change in light of hard numerical evidence. Let's take a look at some high uptime fights. We'll start with alte roite in deltascape. Across all percentiles, DRK had an average of 3.2k dps while WAR had an average of of 3.5k. a difference of ~300 dps from the highest DPS tank to the lowest DPS tank is not a "large margin." Even in fights that supposedly would favor WAR over DRK with more downtime, the DPS difference actually decreases.

during sigmascape, same story. In a high uptime fight like godka, we see a dps difference between WAR and DRK, the highest and lowest respectively of ~200. The disparity shrunk from last patch, even accounting for 4.1 WAR's buff. How about that? In a fight with more downtime like o7s, the difference jumps up to ~300, but again, this difference is less significant as both WAR and DRK were now putting out 4.2 and 3.9 respectively. Again, not significant in the grand scheme of total raid DPS.

Then during the last tier in alphascape, we actually see DRK beat out PLD in every single fight across all percentiles.

What "large margin" are you refering to?

It’s was more or less the problem that drk didn’t had any group dmg reduce. Paladin had wings and divine veil making a lot of one shot aoes way more easy to handle. Ofc wings were slow as hell at the start until they made them instant but it was still a 15 % dmg reduce on 1 button. Also don’t forget shake it was early in stormblood not a shield and more like a self cleanse until it became a aoe shield. Drk had expect a magic tank cool down (with pld got also in stormblood just by being able too block magic attacks also) and tbn nothing for group support.

[Hierro]

Absolutely love the goal post moving. We go from "DRK did sooo much less damage guys!" to "W-well, it had like 0 utility!" Give me a break. How do you quantify how much a DRK's lack of raid wide mitigation held a party back? How do you measure an adverse effect? If we examine stormblood's most difficult content such as uwu and ucob, we still find DRK in the highest dps healer comps, or fastest group clears (not to mention the obvious elephant in the room of world first clears). If that's the case, should we not ask ourselves how much it's lack of a raid-wide really affected it? Outside of the hyper specific, rarely played context of cheesing LB gauge generation (as if everyone's a speed running enthusiast) from the shielding provided from the other tanks, we really don't see DRK holding a party back.

[Mortex]

Absolutely love the goal post moving. We go from "DRK did sooo much less damage guys!" to "W-well, it had like 0 utility!" Give me a break. How do you quantify how much a DRK's lack of raid wide mitigation held a party back? How do you measure an adverse effect? If we examine stormblood's most difficult content such as uwu and ucob, we still find DRK in the highest dps healer comps, or fastest group clears (not to mention the obvious elephant in the room of world first clears). If that's the case, should we not ask ourselves how much it's lack of a raid-wide really affected it? Outside of the hyper specific, rarely played context of cheesing LB gauge generation (as if everyone's a speed running enthusiast) from the shielding provided from the other tanks, we really don't see DRK holding a party back.

Yes and also these world first ultimate groups told people that yes it was possible with drk it still would have been way more easy with Paladin.

[Mortex]

Also dark knight has when the fights were new and on speed kills both in uwu and ucob less then 10 % appearance. Ofc you could play the job in these fights but you kneecap your group when they were fresh out. https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/19#boss=1039 7 % appearance in ucob. https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/23#boss=1042 and only 8 % in ultima a fight were even the auto attacks are magic. Expect if you were a godlike drk main aka violet destruction or played the job absolute perfect you kneecap the entire party for taking drk over Paladin or war.

[Mortex]

Also funny how almost all best healer dps combined runs are without drk in the group. Funny how playing dark knight back there made you sandbag healer dps. No clue why

[Mekhana]

Actually, if I recall, the world first clear was because the raid leader was a DRK.

[RinaB]

Future darks won't know what past dark was and a lot of veterans have quit....so a message to future drk players is a message to people who've never played it pre shb?