to Future DRK Players

[Shin96]

Forum is a minority. It literally won't matter. DRK is screwed. They will gravitate to other Tanks with a better kit or move to Reaper that has everything traditional Dark Knights in Final Fantasy fans have wanted for a long time. Especially with the FF XI iteration of Dark Knight.

Might be a minority but people here, at least some, are more qualified to make statements on this job. The myth of the majority is that this is always used in response to a vocal group of people they don't agree with. So the "majority" to put things into perspective, they really don't care. Most people take things as they come, as was the case with many changes throghout this game's life cycle.

I want to remind people not to respond to someone that is dismissive of our feedback. Please don't give them a platform. If they are happy they can remain as is and play the job, minus to you when it's not even your main and you run your mouth like a dimwit.

As for Reaper.. same thing can happen here. Don't be afraid to say what you think, it's more important to us than them.

[MagiusNecros]

Telling people to not level the job isn't the answer. Dark Knights on both sides have bitched and moaned about Living Dead since it's conception and nothing has changed. Dark Knight in XIV has the most ridiculous evolution of a job I've ever seen. Might even call it a devolution. Went from a fast paced reactive Tank class to a slow poor man's Warrior with a Dragoon Heavy Thrust attached to it utterly reliant on a CD with a recast and costing your main damage resource.

They have gutted:
Parry
OG Reprisal(given to all tanks as a AoE debuff)
Shadowskin(weaker now as Oblation)
Scourge(reskinned as Living Shadow and costs Black Blood)
Dark Passenger(reskinned as Shadowbringer)
Blood Price
Sole Survivor(which was a heal and a resource that rewarded you for being smart)
Dark Arts
Dark Dance
Power Slash
OG Delirium and replaced as a Inner Release knockoff
Low Blow given to all Tanks as your standard stun
Abyssal Drain nerfed to the ground with a long recast and utterly pathetic heal in comparison to the Stormblood Blood Price and Abyssal combo for 15 seconds of burst healing
Blood Weapon neutered to no longer grant lowered recast and gives absurdly low amount of Black Blood and MP which should have scaled up and only affects one target. Aoe should effect all targets for more resources. It does in PvP.
Darkside as a toggle which added complexity with the MP drain. The Edge skills I feel are fine but add to just unnecessary buttons when Dark Arts would have sufficed.
Salted Earth I see as a nerf since it is always on you now and can no longer be ground targeted with a macro which worked amazingly well. And no longer generates Blood. Still true for Endwalker.

It still exists but Dark Mind is incredibly niche now that most encounters mix physical and magic damage in all their attacks which makes it's usefulness that much worse. Missionary is the same way.

And given the lack of defensives and self healing on DRK's part TBN really has no business being on a recast and costing MP. It's the same kind of bullshit they pulled with Dark Passenger being on a recast and costing MP.

At the end of the day though do I find Dark Knight to be utterly terrible? Not at all. Very underwhelming regarding the other Tanks. Do I think it good? Not at all. It's more like it's just ok because of all the CLUNK it has as it's kit where nothing synergizes with each other.

Can it clear all content? Yes. Yes it absolutely can.

But it's ultimate ability should be self sustaining and not require a Healer to pick up the Dark Knight. GNB/WAR/PLD all do not require assistance given their large amounts of self sustain. That's a problem. And for a job that revolves around TBN you have to struggle all the way to lvl70 to get there and the entire leveling experience especially 60-80 is so ass backwards it isn't even funny. The Dark Knight's struggle to break even in the face of adversity truly is it's own unique class fantasy.

To let it sink in you don't get your standard AoE combo until lvl 72 while every other Tank job gets their's at lvl 40 and only on the metric that DRK's get Flood of Darkness at lvl30 but unlike the other tanks your AoE option costs a damage resource while their's use no resource at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Drkdays]

Sorry, too dramatic. Couldn't make it past the first few paragraphs. Self-demoralizing mixed with surreal pep talks is not the best way to broach the subject for change.

[Yhisa]

That's all you have to say.

"I see alot of dark knights complaint about TBN that it "costs" a damage resource, but totally "neglect" it gives u a "free" flood of shadow anyway if it breaks, so an easy fix would be....dark knight now auto gain the "free flood proc" once applying tbn to yourself or to an ally"


NO! Because then you'll have them spamming it each time it's on cooldown. No thanks.

There's a lot more issues to DRK than you think. Since you main healer, you don't know what you're talking about.

Excuse me but for u do auto disregard that I don't know what I'm talking about is disgusting

Iv main dark in the old days and shelf it in shadowbringers cause I fancy a changed to play healer....Jesus been around for 8 years and change mains every expansion to keep things fresh

[Aluja89]

Excuse me but for u do auto disregard that I don't know what I'm talking about is disgusting

Iv main dark in the old days and shelf it in shadowbringers cause I fancy a changed to play healer....Jesus been around for 8 years and change mains every expansion to keep things fresh

Regardless, I stand with VeoIE's very basic logic which seemed to fly circles above you, that's a talent on its own.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I'm confused, doesn't this make DNK simpler why the hell are people complaining? Or does it make it more complex, maybe I'm not understanding these changes I'm still only level 68 on my DNK not 80 just yet.

[Ignimortis]

I'm confused, doesn't this make DNK simpler why the hell are people complaining? Or does it make it more complex, maybe I'm not understanding these changes I'm still only level 68 on my DNK not 80 just yet.

EW does not address any issues with DRK at all, while stealth-nerfing it in comparison to other tanks. DRK's only complexity in EW will be "how am I going to fit all of this into my opener", while not having anything remotely fun to do outside of the opener and the 60 second burst.

Also, making something simpler was what ShB did. It did so by gutting the class, removing any kind of mechanical identity outside of TBN, and attempting to sell the players on aesthetic only, as well as making DRK the poster class for the expac. So yes, making something simpler is not always gonna be universally or even widely liked.