to Future DRK Players

[bundythenoob]

did you read the first post? I stated that the whole reason for this thread is to give the new players (mostly WoW players) context about how the game is going downhill in a scarily similar manner to WoW, and I posted changes they could try to fight for the CURRENT version of DRK. This thread was also intended to allow new DRKs to read up on what the remaining veterans have grievances with, so they too can begin to understand where the problems come from and why the kit feels so disjointed.

I know that players don't have context on the older version of the job's kit, but they DO have context on the CURRENT kit and how disjointed it feels. there's a reason more and more new players are posting things all across different platforms about how the resource generation aspect of the kit feels as though it lacks impact, the different abilities have no synergy with each other as opposed to almost every other job in the game, and how they can ask for changes that would benefit the CURRENT kit without coming to another rework. the skeleton is usable, and it could definitely use a good tuning, but since square enix REFUSES to put money back into the game to hire the necessary developers to fix prevalent problems that have existed since HW, money that YOU GUYS are paying, that's how we end up with the situation we are in.



"there wasn't much we could really do with SCH/DRK/BRD/MCH/RDM/SMN/DRG"

[MagiusNecros]

Future darks won't know what past dark was and a lot of veterans have quit....so a message to future drk players is a message to people who've never played it pre shb?

Players that play DRK now will never know what it was like to be an OG HW Dark Knight. So a lot of the issues the OG HW DRKS have are going to be dismissed.

[Dogempire]

Personally I enjoy the current iteration of DRK but something about it just feels vaguely... wrong?

Dunno, I've been using it and GNB to prog solo HoH and while I really think DRK feels a lot better to play for that kind of content vs GNB it really does seem to be missing any complexity in the kit outside of maybe "How am I going to be popping this TBN?"

Personally I wish they would just get rid of Delirium and revamp the whole job and build around the other skills like blood drain or having TBN generate resources depending on how much of it breaks (Instead of all or nothing like we have since it's not even realistic that it'll break in some fights)

[whiteblade89]

I agree with this. It may not seem like it now, but I do fully believe DRK will get there in the future, It's just a matter of time.

As much as I respect this mentality, and truly I do, I have to humbly disagree. The reason I disagree is because drk has been butchered gameplay-wise in every expansion since it's inception. SB was the most jarring because the job came off as super clunky and not very rewarding. ShB rework was a STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, but ultimately failed to give players what we wanted. Instead of a tank with its own unique play style, we got a watered down warrior clone that packs little to no punch and has next to zero kit interaction. Aside from TBN, every skill for drk is a set-it-and-forget it deal. And as it is, they're clearly doubling down on the warrior clone idea considering that Delirium is and will continue to be a worse inner release. I'm someone who played back in HW and I fell in love with the job back then, but since the release of SB, I have hoped with little hope that we'd get some sort of identity or gameplay function and we just haven't. And it's not for a lack of trying. There are threads galore here on the forums with DETAILED information and reasonings as to why the current iteration of drk is not fun, and plenty of reasonable suggestions that would make the job more enjoyable. But all of those complaints have fallen on deaf ears. We've been saying stuff like "it'll be better next expansion" for two expansions now. The "rework" in ShB was a middling thing at best, and if history is any indicator, then we will continue to go unheard and unnoticed. There's just not enough evidence to support the notion that drk will ever be fixed or on the same level of fun as the others. Personally, I'm with OP. Its time to put the great sword away until they can do something with it. And that's a damn shame. A DAMN shame because I have loved drk since day 1. Pour one out for the drk homies, y'all.

[Shin96]

You want to see a change? Don't level it.

It can be as simple as a meme; all jobs leveled but DRK sits either at 0 or 80. They're going to fix it eventually. By the time they do it however I think most people have moved on.

[ArthurATDayne]

You want to see a change? Don't level it.

It can be as simple as a meme; all jobs leveled but DRK sits either at 0 or 80. They're going to fix it eventually. By the time they do it however I think most people have moved on.

I'm intending to do that and not just to make a statement but because evaluating the 80-90 progression and traits & skill rewards for playing my 80 Paladin vs Dark Knight, the Clear Choice is 100% Paladin. I'm not leveling up my Dark Knight for Lame Trash like Oblation, Enhanced Unmend, Shadowbringer 2 Charge 60 second CD skill that just sits on hotbar with no interaction with rest of kit, Living Shadow II, No Way! Looks like a huge unrewarding waste of time to level the Dark Knight to 90, there's nothing fun to look forward to.

Holy Sheltron, Enhanced Intervention, Divine Magic Mastery II, Spirits Within Mastery, Super Cool Requiescat CONFITEOR Hard Hitting COMBO every 60 seconds and all that extra mitigation, self heals and heal over time in rotation + mitigation, Paladin or Dark Knight? Paladin All the Way.

[Falar]

In Heavensward, we had so much.

I guess we're still paying the price for that.

[Duskane]

You want to see a change? Don't level it.

It can be as simple as a meme; all jobs leveled but DRK sits either at 0 or 80. They're going to fix it eventually. By the time they do it however I think most people have moved on.

strike like this doesn't work
multiple people are still gonna level Drk
either because they dont know/care about current situation or level achievements

people said exact same thing "healer strike" when shb launched and nothing has changed even sage is basically SCH and WHM in one

[Shin96]

strike like this doesn't work
multiple people are still gonna level Drk
either because they dont know/care about current situation or level achievements

people said exact same thing "healer strike" when shb launched and nothing has changed even sage is basically SCH and WHM in one

Well in that case I believe we have concluded our dealings.

Someone in that developement team must really hate this job, it's hard for me to explain the conundrum of additions in 6.0. What went inside the designers head when they created enhanced Unmend.

[Agner]

Someone in that developement team must really hate this job

It feels like all of the fingers on the monkey's paw curled, and then they proceeded to punch us in the face with it. "Oh, you like oGCDs and going fast? Now all you do is shit out oGCDs between your onetwothrees and occasional fours. You will now receive traits we made up collectively in about 2.38 seconds. Please look forward to it."

Aghhh.