Can Ruin II have a different name for Scholar?

[MellowMink]

Dont worry all you scholars out there! You wont need Ruin 2 to double weave when they remove energy drain anyway!

Even if Energy Drain is removed once again, it would still be nice to have a regular instant-casting option (Swiftcast doesn't count since that's very occasional and also usually saved for Resurrection) to attack from a distance while actively running around to avoid AOE mechanics that involve back-to-back attacks. Broil spells getting shorter casting times next expansion isn't the same as them being instant casts.

I also left out from my original post that Ruin II actually has multiple traits that increase its damage, not just a single one, and it could very well get another in the future. So why does Ruin get its name upgraded to multiple sets of Broil spells, but Ruin II never gets a changed name to help further separate its identity from Summoner?

[RobynDaBank]

This works great for minor movement mechanics, but don't tell me you're just going to neglect to mention Lightspeed. I don't remember them mentioning that WHM and SCH were getting Sextuplecast on top of the 1.5s cast times.

WHM has Presence of Mind albeit on a longer cooldown and the additional effect of reducing recast times as well, maybe that will get changed/removed.

[Boizinho]

WHM has Presence of Mind albeit on a longer cooldown and the additional effect of reducing recast times as well, maybe that will get changed/removed.

The recast time is your opportunity to move. Reducing both the cast and recast isn't really much of a mobility option outside of slightly more frequent slidecasting abuse. AST removing all cast time while keeping the recast time is what makes Lightspeed so incredibly good. The fact that Lightspeed has a 1 minute shorter cooldown is honestly a cruel joke.

[Gemina]

Dont worry all you scholars out there! You wont need Ruin 2 to double weave when they remove energy drain anyway!

With Broil cast time being reduced to 1.5, SCH's won't need it anymore anyway. And even though Energy Drain+Ruin 2 is slightly higher potency than Broil III, spamming that crap during Chain is so unsatisfactory that it feels like a DPS loss. Ruin 2 is a pretty good movement skill though, and variations of it is something that I think the other healers also need.

[Duskane]

With Broil cast time being reduced to 1.5, SCH's won't need it anymore anyway. And even though Energy Drain+Ruin 2 is slightly higher potency than Broil III, spamming that crap during Chain is so unsatisfactory that it feels like a DPS loss. Ruin 2 is a pretty good movement skill though, and variations of it is something that I think the other healers also need.

that's not the problem, Energy drain a Aetherflow dump that isn't healing.

[Gemina]

that's not the problem, Energy drain a Aetherflow dump that isn't healing.

Energy drain wasn't given back to us because SCH needed a dump skill. It was given back to assist with MP regeneration. I know this seemed like a small victory for SCHs, but yeah, no. Current Ruin 2 basically allows the SCH to tie 200 potency damage to any of its oGCD abilities. ED, Lustrate, Sacred Soil, you name it. Again, they have many. Knowing this, the devs ripped ED from SCH. Their apparent distaste for SCH damage and lack of foresight lead to SCH having some MP issues at the start of ShB, so they had no choice but to give it back, and did so with wet noodle damage.

In short, where the players see, "We need a dump skill that isn't healing". The devs see, "You're doing too much damage and need to heal more".

[Aword3213]

The recast time is your opportunity to move. Reducing both the cast and recast isn't really much of a mobility option outside of slightly more frequent slidecasting abuse. AST removing all cast time while keeping the recast time is what makes Lightspeed so incredibly good. The fact that Lightspeed has a 1 minute shorter cooldown is honestly a cruel joke.

Presence of Mind actually allows WHM to have more total Glare casts due to recast time reduction. Maybe it's never meant to be a tool for movement

[Roeshel]

Presence of Mind actually allows WHM to have more total Glare casts due to recast time reduction. Maybe it's never meant to be a tool for movement

Yes, it is not. Not to mention that as it is right now moving while having Presence of Mind active is such a terrible choice. You are practically going to lose the one glare you would have gained from the increased speedcast.

I honestly expect it to receive some changes because the value you get out of that 120sec oGCD is not great. It is actually very insignificant. One Glare = 300 potency every 2 mins. AST's Divination is much more potent and in EW it becomes an oGCD that people can just press without having seals aligned. It would make sense for PoM to become the new buff that WHM has to maintain.

[Duskane]

Energy drain wasn't given back to us because SCH needed a dump skill. It was given back to assist with MP regeneration. I know this seemed like a small victory for SCHs, but yeah, no. Current Ruin 2 basically allows the SCH to tie 200 potency damage to any of its oGCD abilities. ED, Lustrate, Sacred Soil, you name it. Again, they have many. Knowing this, the devs ripped ED from SCH. Their apparent distaste for SCH damage and lack of foresight lead to SCH having some MP issues at the start of ShB, so they had no choice but to give it back, and did so with wet noodle damage.

In short, where the players see, "We need a dump skill that isn't healing". The devs see, "You're doing too much damage and need to heal more".

no they gave back because people complained about having no way to dump aetherflow without healing it was a stack QoL similar to SAM so it didnt feel so wasteful
Patch 5.05


they nerfed Energy drain potency later because they didnt like people using Dissipation as a DPS ability and wanted it to be used for healing instead so they added potency to broil and the dot
patch 5.4


this was their "MP fix" for Scholar
patch 5.3 and 5.5

[MellowMink]

Presence of Mind actually allows WHM to have more total Glare casts due to recast time reduction. Maybe it's never meant to be a tool for movement

Yeah, it allows for more total casts, but because it's a percentage decrease rather than a constant number of seconds decrease, it'll never allow for changes in what can be instant-casted versus not. I kind of hope that gets some kind of a modification, because all it really seems to be good for at the moment is occasionally sneaking in another Glare or Holy attack, maybe having a shorter hard Raise in some cases but that's a really rare situation.