TOS Clarification:Third Party Program

[kaynide]

How much more clear could the devs be? They've said, repeatedly, don't use mods. Full stop.

Now, if you want to continue to use them, that's on you.

Think of it like speeding in a car. It's illegal- the end.

But....cops probably don't care generally speaking if you're doing it in a place where there's no likely accidents or you're not going THAT much over..but if you're an idiot about it yeah, tickets for you.

[Artemiz]

A heck of a lot of people projecting their own views onto what Yoshi-P said. Yes, he said dont use mods, but he also said they don't check if you are using them. He also said what constitutes as a mod is a huge can of worms he didn't want to deal with. They even used porn as an example of their views, if its on your computer thats your business, just don't publish it.

If you want to use mods that's up to you, but for the love of all that is holy stop talking about them.

[Moonlite]

And any 3rd party tool that will automate the game for you is no no. That you using discord/steam overlays, msi afterburner, gshade etc is fine as long you don't harrass anyone not using it.

Using a macro application for example to automate key inputs in the game is technically botting so it's against the rules (ToS).

So way back in 2.0 a bunch of crafters, weren't banned but had a roll back. None of them would admit to cheating. But the way the menus worked and logitech macros you could create a macro that would craft forever for you. It is funny what people will claim is OK. SE never really gave a reason just ToS violation.

[Canadane]

Give me a link where he specifically say YES FOLKS YOU MAY USE ACT TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT. You won't find it because it does not exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

If you haven't learned how to read though yoshidas lines yet, you may wanna watch more live letters and Q&A's.

[Raiya]

His issue with the character model mods was primarily due to the nude mods, which can get both Unit III and SE itself in significant legal trouble due to their rating, and the game may even be required to have the rating raised if they become too publicized. So again, if you use them, keep your mouth shut, don't post modded photos on your social media, and you will have no issues.

Actually thats not quite true. SE cannot get in trouble for the likes of mods even NSFW because they didnt create either the assets or mods. They're not made by the company in any way.

Some might think this is an issue because of the infamous "Hot Coffee" mod in GTA years ago but the reason behind and the rerating shenanigans that was because the mod code was already in the game itself and was later enabled by a coder. It wouldn't be the same here as any mods are by 3rd parties not endorsed, created or under the control of SE.

[Byonka]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

If you haven't learned how to read though yoshidas lines yet, you may wanna watch more live letters and Q&A's.

"It shouldn't be that hard to understand." -Yoshi-P

[KDSilver]

I think this topic will always continue to rise as people can't separate what he wants to say from what he does say.

What he said was crystal clear though.
I don't know why people want to understand something else.

[MilkieTea]

Actually thats not quite true. SE cannot get in trouble for the likes of mods even NSFW because they didnt create either the assets or mods. They're not made by the company in any way.

Some might think this is an issue because of the infamous "Hot Coffee" mod in GTA years ago but the reason behind and the rerating shenanigans that was because the mod code was already in the game itself and was later enabled by a coder. It wouldn't be the same here as any mods are by 3rd parties not endorsed, created or under the control of SE.

It’s more of an image issue, if I’m hearing and seeing things correctly.

If some facebook mom sees inappropriate pictures of this game her “precious little Jimmy,” is playing on twitter, and goes to all her other facebook friends saying that this game is unsuitable for children, and they spread the news, it’s likely to become the next big thing of “Are games too scandalous for children? this game is extremely easy to mod, and you never know if little Jimmy is nuded on someone elses screen… they could be doing harmful things to *your* children’s characters too!”

It’s a PR NIGHTMARE. This stuff happens all the time, because parents *like this* don’t understand how games work at ALL. Especially online games.

[Saraide]

It's really simply: dont harrass people. That's the main problem yoshi-p has and it is only semi related to third party tools, which are by his own admission a huge grey area. He puts out a blanket no but refuses to specify what counts as third party program and what doesnt. Simply put, it's not worth having that discussion. This approach by the devs is honestly not bad, they look at the actual issue related to ACT, harrassment of players over damage numbers, and not any and all third party tools.

Dont forget that he's also telling the people who dont use third party tools (again: term with a huge grey area) to not worry about it. Dont start report wars, dont be vindictive about it.

There are downsides with this approach of course as the game by itself doesnt make it easy to see if you are improving or not as even an official ACT but only about your own damage numbers got a hard "never" from the devs so that it cant be used to gatekeep PFs. Although even that could be side stepped with enough dedication with just ingame tools. What's functionally the difference between a PF saying "provide proof of your dps numbers being high enough" and "provide proof you can clear a certain SSS dummy with atleast x seconds remaining"? There's also another thing, if you know the job someone is playing well, you really dont need ACT to see if they are performing well or not.

This general no is not as clear as some people think it is, simply because yoship refuses to specify what falls under it and I dont blame him for it. Harrassing people over their performance is not stopped by going after third party tools, it's stopped by punishing people who harrass others.

[NatePride]

Give me a link where he specifically say YES FOLKS YOU MAY USE ACT TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT. You won't find it because it does not exist.

show me where your point comes from if you are so confident in it.