TOS Clarification:Third Party Program

[Ysida]

We really need "TOS Clarification:Third Party Program" from Square Enix.

I am really tired of this facade.

It's really too hard to respect the developer wish, and try to not using any third party program at all?

It's not like that new players bring this problem, that was the issue before.
Taboo topic and nobody wanted to speak about it, now people just question themself what is legal what not. But let's playing this game to settle this.

"Discord is 3rd party" <- Overlay? No problem.
"Logitech software is 3rd party" <- this somehow is wierd issue because "LIGHTSYNC RGB Final Fantasy Integration" so it's retrieving data from ingame. *enter combat light shows red etc.
But Final Fantasy 14 is coop working with Logitech.

If it's not retrieving/interfering any data from game, it's not the problem.

Log tracker, ingame ui changer, model changer it is.
Let's see X log tracker program description:
It captures the network packets sent/received by the game and additional data from memory and writes that information to a log file. X then reads that file and parses it with help from the plugin. A website that allows you to upload the raw network logs and aggregates them.

Does it retrieving FF14 data? Yes.
But people misjudge it thinking "its just overlay bro relax".

Sorry for poorly wording.

[redheadturk]

Straight from the mouth of the producer: The issue isn't the third party tool itself. The issue is that is often used for the purposes of harassment. Don't talk about it in game, don't use it to harass other players, Producers/developers honestly don't care and won't ban you for it.

[Reap00]

Straight from the mouth of the producer: The issue isn't the third party tool itself. The issue is that is often used for the purposes of harassment. Don't talk about it in game, don't use it to harass other players, Producers/developers honestly don't care and won't ban you for it.

Yoshi has come straight out and said they are against the ToS and you should not use them. You can use them if you wish at your own risk. Also, hasn't this topic been beaten to absolute death? How many times must we go through this?

[Canadane]

Yoshi has come straight out and said they are against the ToS and you should not use them. You can use them if you wish at your own risk. Also, hasn't this topic been beaten to absolute death? How many times must we go through this?

He's specifically mentioned don't mod character models and such, and he's specifically mentioned parsing is just a calculator and calculators are fine.
Obviously harassment and automation software are always going to be wrong.

I think this topic will always continue to rise as people can't separate what he wants to say from what he does say.

[redheadturk]

He's specifically mentioned don't mod character models and such, and he's specifically mentioned parsing is just a calculator and calculators are fine.
Obviously harassment and automation software are always going to be wrong.

I think this topic will always continue to rise as people can't separate what he wants to say from what he does say.

His issue with the character model mods was primarily due to the nude mods, which can get both Unit III and SE itself in significant legal trouble due to their rating, and the game may even be required to have the rating raised if they become too publicized. So again, if you use them, keep your mouth shut, don't post modded photos on your social media, and you will have no issues.

[Halivel]

His issue with the character model mods was primarily due to the nude mods, which can get both Unit III and SE itself in significant legal trouble due to their rating, and the game may even be required to have the rating raised if they become too publicized. So again, if you use them, keep your mouth shut, don't post modded photos on your social media, and you will have no issues.

Clarifications here:

which can get both Unit III and SE itself in significant legal trouble due to their rating

Not due to the game rating itself but because in some countries this stuff is outright illegal no matter what age rating you slap on the cover.

and the game may even be required to have the rating raised

I said this so many times at this point that I feel like a parrot, but: the game doesn't have a consistent age rating to begin with. US: 12/13+. Germany&New Zeland: 12+. Rest of the Europe: 16+. Japan: 15+. Russia: 18+ (originally 16+, raised).
They can and they will raise age rating when and where needed.

[Larirawiel]

His issue with the character model mods was primarily due to the nude mods, which can get both Unit III and SE itself in significant legal trouble due to their rating, and the game may even be required to have the rating raised if they become too publicized. So again, if you use them, keep your mouth shut, don't post modded photos on your social media, and you will have no issues.

I guess, the legal trouble is not the reason for not allowing mods. There are plenty other games which are modded to hell with NSFW-things and there was never a legal or a rating issue with that. The point is, with mods you can easily cheat and cheating will make botting way more effective. The bots can skip all enemies and farm the things they want to farm without hostile mobs etc. Such cheating destroys the whole ingame economy in the long run. You could also have some advantages in PvP with modded textures and make "invisible" players visible again etc.

Cheers

[RitsukoSonoda]

He's specifically mentioned don't mod character models and such, and he's specifically mentioned parsing is just a calculator and calculators are fine.
Obviously harassment and automation software are always going to be wrong.

I think this topic will always continue to rise as people can't separate what he wants to say from what he does say.

Actually I feel its more like this topic is always going to rise and come up simply because certain people out there are always trying to figure out how much they can break or ignore a rule before they get in trouble rather than just do what they should be doing.

[KDSilver]

I think this topic will always continue to rise as people can't separate what he wants to say from what he does say.

What he said was crystal clear though.
I don't know why people want to understand something else.

[Breakbeat]

How many times must we go through this?

Infinite times. The group of people on the forums tomorrow will never be the same group as today, and one of the new group members will bring with them some anxiety or dislike or confusion over addons. It's literally impossible to eradicate confusion over this stuff.

We can't even do it in the real world when it comes to the shape of our planet. There will always be someone new to Earth who, unfortunately and for whatever reason, just doesn't understand how things really are. It's futile to think we will ever be done explaining reality to other humans.