Thread: Is anyone else concerned about 6.0 Summoner?

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Always go into a rework with a modicum of caution. MCH has been mentioned a few times with good reason. While MCH is a vast improvement over it’s stormblood iteration. It’s far from perfect, and I would expect similar for summoner. People who have mained summoner for some time will very quickly see through the flash and find the flaws.

New players or players that never really played smn at a high level will likely latch on and defend the rework to the death especially if it is easier to pick up than any other iteration. Hopefully it is better than what happened to mch but only one way to really know. Wait for expac and give it a whirl.

I hear people say MCH is far from perfect, but what exactly would a perfectly designed MCH actually be? Different people enjoy different ways to play and I'm sure perfect varies from person to person. I quite enjoy the new MCH. Far more than the old one.

Originally Posted by Nyarlha

If you think someone coming to complain about their main job in half a dozen of threads (even unrelated ones) as a knee jerk reaction to said job not changing "for the better" in their mind in EW will have any effect on job design, I have a bridge to sell you. Because that's exactly what some people are doing right now.

This isn't some random disconnected thread. This is the primary general discussion (yes, DPS forum would be better, general is fine.) And the best way not to have your opinion heard is to keep it to yourself.

Originally Posted by Nyarlha

The SMN rework is, by their own admission, because they felt they were at a dead end with the job due to how egis worked. People have been claiming for the job to be more focused on Summons since the HW DoT mage iteration. If they were truly making changes based on people "wanting flashier Summons" they would have done it way earlier. To them, this rework was necessary either way, complaints or not.

You don't think YoshiP's often said statement that he doesn't like pet classes has anything to do with the change? I believe that has more to do with the rework than the inability to take the Summoner job forward.

Originally Posted by Ryaz

I hear people say MCH is far from perfect, but what exactly would a perfectly designed MCH actually be? Different people enjoy different ways to play and I'm sure perfect varies from person to person. I quite enjoy the new MCH. Far more than the old one.

A-HEM
I will not go into details but current MCH is a deep as a puddle.

-Heatblast spam is tiring when repeated, especially when raiding savage/ultimate.
-Heatloop doesn't work, if you perform your rotation correctly you will end in a deadend, forcing you to choose between losing Drill/Air Anchor cast, overcap heat or delay Barrel Stabilizer in order to use Wildfire on cooldown. Best choice is to delay BS, which desynch the two cooldowns when they are clearly designed to go together.
-The Queen AI is wonky, its target is sometimes random and it's nothing more than a glorified dot.
-Some cooldown are way too "automatic", you can try yourself, what's the difference between a regular Hypercharge and a Wildfire + Hypercharge? One button.
-Flamethrower is a boring tool that also brings tick fishing, something so annoying for just 100 potency most MCH ignores.

I've seen people saying "I like Flamethrower because I'm allowed to do nothing".
Meanwhile on any other job they can take a break as well and it's not different from spamming Spreadshot either.

MCH rework is welcome and was needed. The only thing is that the rework feels incomplete, making it a snoozejob when raiding.
It's my absolute favorite, but I can't suffer the same boring rotation for another 2 years.

Originally Posted by Ryaz

I hear people say MCH is far from perfect, but what exactly would a perfectly designed MCH actually be? Different people enjoy different ways to play and I'm sure perfect varies from person to person. I quite enjoy the new MCH. Far more than the old one.

But do you enjoy it enough? Is it your main? Your go to for Raids and Trails? Sometimes being fun to play on occasion isn't enough. When you completely change how a job plays, you risk alienating the core group that plays it.

If the "core" group is trying to turn summoner into poison mage then the "core" group is objectively wrong or unaware of how small they are. There's a lot of summoners rejoicing that their job is finally thematically coherent and brought in line with the rest of the series and a lot of people like me want to play the class more now that it will be actual summoner instead of a reskinned affliction warlock that physically hurts to play. Following that thought, I'm also quite glad that machinist now can use actual tools instead of just being a gunner class back in SB.

Real summoners clearly outnumber dot mages, otherwise they would not have made this change and consequently received such positive reactions across all social media. 10 likes on a forum post that's sad about the loss of dots is nothing compared to the 5-10k likes on the positive reactions of people like Larryzaur, for instance. If you give people the option to choose to play between a summoner like Yuna with big flashy burst attacks versus...Vanille as a saboteur who focuses on debuffs/poison, it is clear what people will gravitate to for the most part.

Originally Posted by Vrankyl

. Now that is likely to change with Endwalkers as they start adding in more

It has not, and dragged us back to square one, sure some people might love the idea of a shotgun aoe they’ll never use in certain content, but not me