Thread: Is anyone else concerned about 6.0 Summoner?

Yes, but only because the first iteration of a massive rework has historically had a pretty high chance of being terrible.
I'm not concerned about 6.1 Summoner, for instance.

Yes I am concerned. SMN looks so good I may have to change my main now.

The community obsession over particles and visuals is apparent, so I knew SMN would be a popular job in the LL

My concerns are;
Progression kit, how will this job play in 50s 60s? 70s 80s are key for ultimates and how will the job seemlessly transition from all of them? Some jobs can pull it off (GNB/SAM) other jobs peak early as hell and don’t evolve (RDM/MCH) and others have a awkward progression kit (BRD/MNK/BLM).

Is the kit intuitive and mechanics complex enough to be fun but not daunting? A job can have all the flash in the world to distract you from doing 1-2-3 and SMN has me worried as I just see Ruin III/IV repainted and recoated hence why it seems it has a lower skill count than MCH as both skills are really 6 skills. We don’t need more brain dead jobs and if this is the case SMN has quite the rocky life ahead of it. I’m sure a lot of people don’t care about the kit and just want jobs to be pretty which adds on to the concern

Lastley is the aesthetic right? Idk how I feel about summons leaving so soon still feels like Bahamut and Phoenix are the only true summons but maybe it can’t be done in a mmo format. Just have to wait and see but I do not buy into the hype what so ever

Originally Posted by zcrash970

Oh I'm extremely concerned. I said once and I'll say it a thousand times. Current SE current class design is not good.

MCH rework in 5.0. boring but functional
DRK delirium is water down WAR.
SCH is clunky
DNC is pretty bland imo
NIN is boring outside of their burst phase.

New SMN seems like all the difficulty is gone. I think the only hard part about it will be making sure to use your jewel summons in a way to optimize damage
But ultimately I feel smn will be like mch. Visually pleasing but playing it will be boring

This essentially

Reworks have been historically a reduction of thought, and a accessible effort. Worries me how drawn everyone is to the visuals that they don’t care how it plays. Good on them but the kit is kinda important

It looks pretty boring now and I mained it since HW.

I keep my expectations in check but from the video it don't look fun at all anymore.

Always go into a rework with a modicum of caution. MCH has been mentioned a few times with good reason. While MCH is a vast improvement over it’s stormblood iteration. It’s far from perfect, and I would expect similar for summoner. People who have mained summoner for some time will very quickly see through the flash and find the flaws.

New players or players that never really played smn at a high level will likely latch on and defend the rework to the death especially if it is easier to pick up than any other iteration. Hopefully it is better than what happened to mch but only one way to really know. Wait for expac and give it a whirl.

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Always go into a rework with a modicum of caution. MCH has been mentioned a few times with good reason. While MCH is a vast improvement over it’s stormblood iteration. It’s far from perfect, and I would expect similar for summoner. People who have mained summoner for some time will very quickly see through the flash and find the flaws.

New players or players that never really played smn at a high level will likely latch on and defend the rework to the death especially if it is easier to pick up than any other iteration. Hopefully it is better than what happened to mch but only one way to really know. Wait for expac and give it a whirl.

I hear people say MCH is far from perfect, but what exactly would a perfectly designed MCH actually be? Different people enjoy different ways to play and I'm sure perfect varies from person to person. I quite enjoy the new MCH. Far more than the old one.