A weary player sees hope in the new update

[Enfarious]

Didn't I imply you to take those glasses off?

If you want a reality check, the definition of an average gamer is a 40 year old woman playing Bejeweled (Or Farmville, or Angry Birds, take your pick.) This isn't a nerd's club anymore. So before you call yourself a 'real gamer' please realize that such a concept no longer exists as you think it does - and that, in fact, is a good thing for games. It means it'll garner a wider respect as a medium.

Now, of course, that comes at the sacrifice of niche appeal to broad system games like FFXIV. But as you were just so nice to tell the casuals to go outside, the instant rebuttal that comes to my mind is that you're missing your local Magic:The Gathering tournament right about now -

They call themselves "Real Gamers" too.

Don't knock m: tg that's just not nice lol

The concepts are all still the same though, casual gamer: farmville, etc.; average gamer: action, platform, fps, maybe start to finish but never past the end to get "everything"; hardcore: all of the above played so many hours there's nothing left to do in the game.

[Alastor]

I don't think making crafting easier would make it more profitable to casual players, or anyone for that matter. It will simply translate to more synths for the same amount of profit you could achieve before. This fixes nothing.

I think my argument may have been unclear. I'm not trying to argue that things should be easier in the game. I'm merely rebutting the OP's claim that things should be more difficult. I don't see how that will help the game. I agree with your points. I think the game is just right where it is.

In my opinion, after some point, having something take so little time to complete it then becomes meaningless and therefore a waste of my time..... Oh the irony. The fact that it might take you a month rather than a day to complete something makes it a whole lot more meaningful. I want to play a game that has achievements that are meaningful.

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but it's a video game, so it's always going to be a waste of time. It's about entertainment value, not meaningful, life-augmenting value. This is coming from someone who plays games some 40+ hours a week. That's more than some people put into their jobs. Scary, right?

You know, I remember when games were games, made by gamers for gamers. Till the mass was like "OH I DO LIKE PLAYIING GAMES, BUT DON'T REALLY WANT IT TO BE THAT HARD, JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE SO I CAN FIGURE IT OUT" Now that everyone plays games, they over shadow the real gamers, so who is holding their head above others? Ya, the casuals, go do something outside, thanks!~

I will always be frustrated when I see my favorite game genres/tv shows/comic or book series/ect. being butchered because of the current trends of society. You have to decide whether you're willing to be an adult and accept that things in life will change and the only thing you can do about it is go with it, or you can crawl into a bubble and pretend. You're not any more of a gamer than the frat-boy asshole who plays Call of Duty 24/7, and if you somehow have convinced yourself that you are, you need to get a reality check.

[Zezlar]

Final Fantasy - Story

[Jokerz]

Like I said. There's enough room for both types of content.

Oh there is, however from what I see on these boards casual players don't like it when hardcore players get gear before casuals do. I don't get this hole comment where FFXI was so hardcore when it really wasn't.

There was plenty of content around for those with little time as well as content for those that had a lot of time to dedicate to the game. I too hope there will be content for all types of players, some content that can easily be done with a PUG in half an hour, and some content that takes an hour or more for those who have the time. More options and it doesn't really alienate people to such a scale as people make it seem.

[Enfarious]

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I will always be frustrated when I see my favorite game genres/tv shows/comic or book series/ect. being butchered because of the current trends of society. You have to decide whether you're willing to be an adult and accept that things in life will change and the only thing you can do about it is go with it, or you can crawl into a bubble and pretend. You're not any more of a gamer than the frat-boy asshole who plays Call of Duty 24/7, and if you somehow have convinced yourself that you are, you need to get a reality check.

There's a third option, when confronted with change you can also choose to try to guide that change to be more acceptable to you, proactive, not ostrich, not roll over.

Oh there is, however from what I see on these boards casual players don't like it when hardcore players get gear before casuals do. I don't get this hole comment where FFXI was so hardcore when it really wasn't.

There was plenty of content around for those with little time as well as content for those that had a lot of time to dedicate to the game. I too hope there will be content for all types of players, some content that can easily be done with a PUG in half an hour, and some content that takes an hour or more for those who have the time. More options and it doesn't really alienate people to such a scale as people make it seem.

As long as all content is accessible not necessarily easily accessible but accessible all the same to everyone. If I can't play 40 hours a week I shouldn't be told I can NEVER get into XXX area, if you say it'll take me 3 months but you got there in 3 weeks I'm good with that, and actually expect that, it's a mimicry of real life. If I'm working 20hrs a week and you work 40 I'll never make the same amount as you at the same rate of pay, if you attend classes full time and I part time you'll graduate first, this all makes sense. I will make money, and I will graduate so long as I put in the effort. I shouldn't be excluded from a class because I'm a part time student. That's all I expect from the game, and it sounds like it might be exactly what your driving at?

If I had the time I'd be a hardcore player, time doesn't make a person hardcore, effort, willingness to go to the ends of the earth and back again, desire and drive to do everything regardless of what it'll take, those things make hardcore players. To say that because I'm in game 70 hrs a week doesn't mean much if I'm not going to those lengths to get everything there is to get. 20 hrs a week it's just gonna take me a little longer but I WILL get there too.

[Jokerz]

There's a third option, when confronted with change you can also choose to try to guide that change to be more acceptable to you, proactive, not ostrich, not roll over.


As long as all content is accessible not necessarily easily accessible but accessible all the same to everyone. If I can't play 40 hours a week I shouldn't be told I can NEVER get into XXX area, if you say it'll take me 3 months but you got there in 3 weeks I'm good with that, and actually expect that, it's a mimicry of real life. If I'm working 20hrs a week and you work 40 I'll never make the same amount as you at the same rate of pay, if you attend classes full time and I part time you'll graduate first, this all makes sense. I will make money, and I will graduate so long as I put in the effort. I shouldn't be excluded from a class because I'm a part time student. That's all I expect from the game, and it sounds like it might be exactly what your driving at?

If I had the time I'd be a hardcore player, time doesn't make a person hardcore, effort, willingness to go to the ends of the earth and back again, desire and drive to do everything regardless of what it'll take, those things make hardcore players. To say that because I'm in game 70 hrs a week doesn't mean much if I'm not going to those lengths to get everything there is to get. 20 hrs a week it's just gonna take me a little longer but I WILL get there too.

I get that totally, that's the point I was getting at. NOTHING in FFXI was labeled "Hardcore only!" and nothing was particularly hard to get too. There were a few events that lasted a couple hours but nothing was impossible to get too. I don't really see the issue with events that can last up to an hour(or even more) if I didn't have the time to do it I just simply won't do the event I mean FFXI had HNM's and I avoided them like the plague. I just don't see the issue with having multiple different endgame types with comparable gear amongst them.

[Nate_Sith]

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but it's a video game, so it's always going to be a waste of time. It's about entertainment value, not meaningful, life-augmenting value. This is coming from someone who plays games some 40+ hours a week. That's more than some people put into their jobs. Scary, right?

If this game is a waste of time for you, why are you even on the forums arguing about it anyway? It's about entertainment value? So you mean it's just a movie basically that you have some input on. There's a lot of things I can do to be entertained, but something that entertains me in the long run is something that I can't complete in a month.

[Alastor]

It's about entertainment value? So you mean it's just a movie basically that you have some input on. There's a lot of things I can do to be entertained, but something that entertains me in the long run is something that I can't complete in a month.

What are you even talking about? A movie? No. This is a video game. It is a form of entertainment; you said it yourself. You are looking for something that entertains you. That's the entire point of this game. There is no other reason for its existence.

How much time do you spend on the game in a month to have a "meaningful" experience?

[leomike35]

Amen

The Final Fantasies OP played and the Final Fantasies I've played must have been completely different games. I can list the truly challenging moments in this whole series in my hands, and 99% of those are related either to optional bosses (hello, Yazmat) or some of the (optional) mini-games and sidequests (1.000 jumps in FFIX's jump rope minigame, anyone?). And even those are just a matter of doing tedium leveling and / or repeating the same stuff over and over till you beat it.

In fact, there's only one mandatory content in the series (excluding FFXI) I would call challenging: Ramza VS Wiegraf solo fight + Velius battle right after in Final Fantasy Tactics. I wonder how many players had to start from scratch because they had no backup save....

If anyone is buying Final Fantasy for the challenge, they're doing it very wrong.

Haha I hear ya on that fight lol. I had to start over for two reasons one not having the back up save and the other was because I didnt have any knight skills so I could break armor and weapons lol. Ninja Knights FTW!!!!

[Nate_Sith]

What are you even talking about? A movie? No. This is a video game. It is a form of entertainment; you said it yourself. You are looking for something that entertains you. That's the entire point of this game. There is no other reason for its existence.

How much time do you spend on the game in a month to have a "meaningful" experience?

Something that is only for entertainment value, and is ultimately a waste of time..... The only thing that comes to mind is a movie. Something you just watch, with very little thought involved. I like video games because they make me think, and you can have something to work on and learn from.

You don't have to spend X amount of time per month to have a meaningful experience. What I mean is it needs to take significant time to complete so you can keep playing and build off of what you did last week/month/year. I could spend 10 or 200 hours a month and still have a meaningful experience in an online game. I would rather have a game that will last me a very long time then constantly have to hunt around for new MMOs to play after I burn through the last one.

If you're looking for ONLY entertainment value and you're worried about wasting your time, I suggest you look to something else other than MMOs lol..... Take movies as I pointed out earlier.