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    DRG mitigation action?

    MNK: Riddle of Earth- -10% mitigation and allows for ignoring of positionals.
    NIN: Shadeshift -20% HP shield
    SAM: Third Eye -10% mitigation + Seigan (Counter)/Merciful Eyes (self-heal)
    RPR: -10% shield+AoE regen if shield broken


    There are 5 melee jobs and 4 of them have a self-mitigation tool. Why doesn't DRG have one? Bring back Keen Flurry but make it a shield or something instead of parry (so it works on magic).



    P.S. The argument that DRG has higher physical defense and HP than MNK/NIN/SAM is as a reason for not having mitigation is no longer valid because RPR is also a Maiming DPS.

    P.P.S Healing skills are not mitigation, Life Surge heals 10% of the DRG's max HP but it's used at rigid times in our rotation so it's never used for sustain.

    P.P.S Blooodbath and Second Wind don't count either because all melee can use those anyway in addition to their unique mitigation.

    P.P.P.S Elusive Jump is not mitigation because it doesn't do anything for raid-wide AoEs.
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    Do we really need it tho ?
    MNK and SAM using sklls you mention for sustain DPS.
    Nin has no reason to even use Shadeshift in the first place.
    Drg have higher HP than other melees so I think we already got build-in mitigation.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Just kill it faster and you won't need a defensive cooldown.
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    DRG already gets higher physical defense. That's all the mitigation you get! >:I
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahnom View Post
    Do we really need it tho ?
    MNK and SAM using sklls you mention for sustain DPS.
    Nin has no reason to even use Shadeshift in the first place.
    Drg have higher HP than other melees so I think we already got build-in mitigation.
    >Drg have higher HP than other melees so I think we already got build-in mitigation

    You know Reaper is ALSO on Maiming gear AND has a mitigation skill right? Also regarding the higher HP of DRG, if you read the OP is less than a 1% difference in HP. With food, my i530 DRG has 149k, MNK has about 1200 HP difference. <1%
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    DRG already gets higher physical defense. That's all the mitigation you get! >:I

    Did you read OP?

    1) DRG has higher PHYSICAL defense only than other melee DPS, by comparison, MNK SAM and NIN have higher MAGIC Defense than DRG, so that argument is moot, especially because MOST raid damage is magical.

    2) Reaper uses Maiming gear, so they have the same Physical DEF/HP as DRG, AND they get their own Mitigation Skill "Arcane Crest".
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    Last edited by Jonnycbad; 09-23-2021 at 10:41 PM.

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    I think that's a fair question/request.
    Not needed, but fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Did you read OP?

    1) DRG has higher PHYSICAL defense only than other melee DPS, by comparison, MNK SAM and NIN have higher MAGIC Defense than DRG, so that argument is moot, especially because MOST raid damage is magical.
    That hasn't been true since ARR. Dragoon's magic defense is equal to the other Melee.
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    Fair but it still stands, Reaper has maiming gear and has self mitigation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Fair but it still stands, Reaper has maiming gear and has self mitigation
    I believe you haven’t explain why you need mitigation.
    Let us here your reason and It better be reasonable.
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