Hidde Glamours Locally (& other graphically immersive options)

[Awha]

Something seems off to me for those so against the idea. If it is useless or not needed isn't it safe to assume that you also feel many would not use the feature cause it is not needed? So where exactly is the fear for the option really stemming from? I do not think it comes from a place of caring about the devs work, cause their work would still be seen and appreciated by many. The reason behind why someone would want to use the option is also moot. Sure some may want to use it because they do not want to see a man in a wedding dress, or they do not want to see people in the frog or pig suits, or they simply find ones glam looks weird.

In the end their reason and use will not hamper your expression or experience. It will only be impacted if you either assume everyone uses the option or go out of your way to see if someone is using it or not.

Idk I just have a hard time thinking people are coming from a place on genuine concern if it was added. Seems more like people are up that their overall audience that will see their glam will be smaller and they cannot stomach that idea. Which I get, wanting to show off drip is part of the reason why many buy expensive clothing.

[kaynide]

Something seems off to me for those so against the idea. If it is useless or not needed isn't it safe to assume that you also feel many would not use the feature cause it is not needed?

For me it's always been NOT that it was a bad idea, but that I would rather the dev resources be used elsewhere, especially with how often we are told how tight their schedule is and the obvious results of said tight schedule.

Eg. if there even is time for side projects, they should spend it fixing Hrothgar/Viera headgear. Or a TLC update to fix the glaring world-edges when you fly around 2.0 maps and see parts previously not meant to be seen. Or a billion other things that are on the to-do but low priority.

[Awha]

For me it's always been NOT that it was a bad idea, but that I would rather the dev resources be used elsewhere, especially with how often we are told how tight their schedule is and the obvious results of said tight schedule.

Eg. if there even is time for side projects, they should spend it fixing Hrothgar/Viera headgear. Or a TLC update to fix the glaring world-edges when you fly around 2.0 maps and see parts previously not meant to be seen. Or a billion other things that are on the to-do but low priority.

I get that but the reality is we do not have much say in what is a worth while investment of dev time and resources. So I get that argument we do not have much say in what is considered a better use. So to a degree that is a largely a moot point. As mentioned in my other posts I get the position of it being seen as a waste of development time.

While I also Fall in that camp personally I made my own bootleg fix so I am okay. I do not think itnis fair to dismiss an idea solely based on the Dev resources because what people find important is not all the same.

Like personally I think that performance feature is a waste of resources though I get many enjoy it so who am I to say what is a waste or not.

That I'd why I say something is deeper going on here.

[kaynide]

I get that but the reality is we do not have much say in what is a worth while investment of dev time and resources. So I get that argument we do not have much say in what is considered a better use. So to a degree that is a largely a moot point. As mentioned in my other posts I get the position of it being seen as a waste of development time.

While I also Fall in that camp personally I made my own bootleg fix so I am okay. I do not think itnis fair to dismiss an idea solely based on the Dev resources because what people find important is not all the same.

Like personally I think that performance feature is a waste of resources though I get many enjoy it so who am I to say what is a waste or not.

That I'd why I say something is deeper going on here.

That’s fair. And kind of my earlier point too- people can already adjust how things look via modifications, so devs are not needed. Similarly, there are mods that fix hrothgar/viera hats, so maybe those are also low-priority.

Of course it’s not up to me what the devs do, I just hope they utilize their time wisely.

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I believe I said I don’t have anything more to say to you on this topic. Your overly aggressive responses to almost everyone in this thread make it clear we can not discuss this matter further.

[Awha]

That’s fair. And kind of my earlier point too- people can already adjust how things look via modifications, so devs are not needed. Similarly, there are mods that fix hrothgar/viera hats, so maybe those are also low-priority.

Of course it’s not up to me what the devs do, I just hope they utilize their time wisely.



I believe I said I don’t have anything more to say to you on this topic. Your overly aggressive responses to almost everyone in this thread make it clear we can not discuss this matter further.

Yeah sure I admit it is a lower priority feature also in my view especially for myself since I created my own work around. That said it is disingenuous to use outside fixes as a suitable solution since not everyone has the knowledge or ability to use such tools. This goes for a toggle and for Hrothgar and Viera.

Though as mentioned I do get the stance but I also do not feel it is a non argument in the sense it is a largely a moot point. It is a valid point and valid concern but generally moot in yhe sense that we have no real say in what is worthy of dev time or not outside of our own subjective view.

Hope that makes sense. That is why I say not you but generally I do feel those against it have a deeper reasoning behind it that stems more so behind a sense of validation.

[Krotoan]

I believe I said I don’t have anything more to say to you on this topic. Your overly aggressive responses to almost everyone in this thread make it clear we can not discuss this matter further.

Pointing out your logical inconsistencies and outright falsehoods isn't "aggressive". I'll continue responding if you continue to further them. Ignore me if you don't want to read it anymore.

This argument has been brought up time and time again and I'm pretty sure those in charge would never change the current stance (which I'm thankful for) due to the fact there is a decent chance it would hurt their bottom line.

The fact it keeps coming up means that people continue to want it. Something to consider as well.

So let's just say you have an ability to change the way people look at the "local" level, so folks only look the way they are not glamoured. You so much take a picture/screenshot of your character with an unglamoured character in the background (who didn't choose to be unglamoured for the purpose of this example) and than you're forcing your decisions on people... people ever see such pictures (or videos if it goes there) and

Make it so the option turns off names or reduces them to initials. Poof your character is unrecognizable.

people very well might buy less things for glamours (I mean assuming the announcement didn't already start that in the first place).

Now you're worried about SE's bottom line? let them worry about that.

I mean even if you point all the ways the above scenario could be avoided, why on earth would anyone dictate how someone else dresses in a game, or for that matter in an MMO to begin with.... I get what the one side wants, but it doesn't just effect you, and therefore is a complicated situation, that doesn't make sense to mess with to begin with.

And this option wouldn't affect anyone who didn't have it on. This isn't dictating how anyone can dress, people are free to put whatever they want on their character and will be able to see it 24/7.

Before glamouring, things looked rough in this game, let's not go back to that time period.

This isn't saying to turn off glamouring entirely for everyone, this is giving people an option to reduce others impact on their own experience with no effect upon anyone but themselves.

[_Pigzig]

its supposed to be an online game. people have the freedom to do what they want like in real life, if you dont like how people dressed tough imo.
people shouldnt look different on different screens because you dont like it. thats just weird

also if you turn glamours off people will look like clowns with a mess of different armor. doesnt seem very immersive.

[Awha]

its supposed to be an online game. people have the freedom to do what they want like in real life, if you dont like how people dressed tough imo.
people shouldnt look different on different screens because you dont like it. thats just weird

also if you turn glamours off people will look like clowns with a mess of different armor. doesnt seem very immersive.

How is it weird? They would not even know. I imagine people in different attire all the time IRL does that make me weird? That is legit what this is. It is locally done.

[raelgun]

its supposed to be an online game. people have the freedom to do what they want like in real life, if you dont like how people dressed tough imo.
people shouldnt look different on different screens because you dont like it. thats just weird

also if you turn glamours off people will look like clowns with a mess of different armor. doesnt seem very immersive.

Here you are contradicting your self really hard, people that want to force their glamour's = freedom to what they want

People wanting an option apparently doesn't fall under your freedom? people aren't free to choose? one side gets to force the other? This option is win win for both as those that don't care for other glamour's don't give a shit about you or other glamour's, they just want to play the game to their liking.

Just like IRL a lot of us don't give a shit what others look like, we don't need to give a shit about how people look in game.

[FoxyAreku]

Here you are contradicting your self really hard, people that want to force their glamour's = freedom to what they want

People wanting an option apparently doesn't fall under your freedom? people aren't free to choose? one side gets to force the other? This option is win win for both as those that don't care for other glamour's don't give a shit about you or other glamour's, they just want to play the game to their liking.

Just like IRL a lot of us don't give a shit what others look like, we don't need to give a shit about how people look in game.

If you don't care what other people look like, then you shouldn't care whether people are glamoured or not.
Hypocritical.
I glamour to express myself to those around me, as do most others, same as how I dress in real life. Taking that away isn't fair.