Hidde Glamours Locally (& other graphically immersive options)

[Krotoan]

Basically, you re asking for offical mods xD

Not really. Mods generally add elements, models, and textures that are not in the game.

What comes next? Hide all Viera and Hrothgar, because they are breaking YOUR immersion or lore? Hide all male characters, because their glamour doesnt look good to you?

Just because someone asks for a measure of sugar one day doesn't mean they will be robbing your house tomorrow. The irrational hyperbolic slippery slope argument isn't ever productive on either side.

Small inventory, old glamour system, broken blacklist... but yeah, lets throw in a feature about disabling certain glamours for... reasons... .

Reasons all stated here.
If you wait to solve all problems before doing anything else, nothing will ever be done. There are of course far more pressing concerns, this doesn't mean discussions about other features or ideas cannot be pondered.

[Awha]

Please let us cool it with these slippery slop arguments. The reality is outside the argument regarding waste of development time and resources and “MAYBE” the stance it would devalue cash shop items which I do not agree with, but I do not have data to support my position so I will grant it as a possibility every other position against the added option is silly. :P

I mean if it is locally done then everything will stay the same for those that do not use the option, their overall experience will not be hampered in any noticeable way outside a personal perception issue.

It also would not be hard to do, time consuming yes, but by no means difficult PC already has mods in place that do more or less what is requested.

No ones expression is being hampered because you will not know if someone has the option on unless you go out of your way to find out. Like people make it seem like they are going to walk up to people and ask them what do they think of their glam, and ask them questions as to what they are wearing to make sure.

Let us be real this option is not for everyone, but not every option has to be for everyone.

[Caitlyn]

Not really. Mods generally add elements, models, and textures that are not in the game.

Just because someone asks for a measure of sugar one day doesn't mean they will be robbing your house tomorrow. The irrational hyperbolic slippery slope argument isn't ever productive on either side.

Reasons all stated here.
If you wait to solve all problems before doing anything else, nothing will ever be done. There are of course far more pressing concerns, this doesn't mean discussions about other features or ideas cannot be pondered.

1. Thats not true. Mods CHANGE elements. They dont just add things.

2. Is it such a huge problem, about what other people wearing, that you need to waste time and resources into such a "feature"? Maybe some people mistaken FFXIV for their personal RPG, where everyone is their personal NPC. Spoilers: those are all real people. You have to accept their choice of glamours.

3. Before adding new stuff, SE should fix old systems first. Not hard to understand, is it? You dont want to see half-naked Roes? Just dont go into the city states. Problem solved.

[Krotoan]

1. Thats not true. Mods CHANGE elements. They dont just add things.

Not an absolute, but the glut of mods that are popular add files or functionality to the game that it doesn't have. You could say that ANY change to systems, interfaces or models is asking for "official" mods. It's ... sorta true but not really.

2. Is it such a huge problem, about what other people wearing, that you need to waste time and resources into such a "feature"?

Most people agree this is NOT a huge problem, just a feature that would enhance their experience. Things don't need to be HUGE PROBLEMS to fix them. The game as it is now is a culmination of thousands of tiny changes to the experience.

Maybe some people mistaken FFXIV for their personal RPG, where everyone is their personal NPC. Spoilers: those are all real people. You have to accept their choice of glamours.

Maybe you have mistaken this for a real world problem where my preference of what I see actually affects real people. If I don't want to see something I don't even have to mention it, just click. Fixed. This isn't oppression or censorship, this is me changing what I see on my own computer. It's not personal, it's not intolerance, it's a graphic setting. It sounds like you need the spoiler here: Those cat/bunny/beefy/lanky people aren't real and their appearance is duplicated hundreds of thousands of times in different fidelitys on hundreds of thousands of computers. This isn't telling someone real they can't dress or present how they want.

3. Before adding new stuff, SE should fix old systems first. Not hard to understand, is it?

So they should cancel the expansion in it's entirety until they fix everything? That isn't hyperbolic either, that is exactly what you just said.

You dont want to see half-naked Roes? Just dont go into the city states. Problem solved.

You don't want to worry about people not seeing your character as you so carefully chose in a video game? Just don't think about it. Problem solved.


See how smarmy and inane and detached from the actual problem that is?

[Caitlyn]

Not an absolute, but the glut of mods that are popular add files or functionality to the game that it doesn't have. You could say that ANY change to systems, interfaces or models is asking for "official" mods. It's ... sorta true but not really.

Then just tell me, how this "Quality of Life"-feature improve the gaming experience? I see it more like a personal cencorship for a minority of the playerbase. If we start adding such things now, it wont stop people to ask for more. Like adding the option to put a headscarf to all female characters.

Most people agree this is NOT a huge problem, just a feature that would enhance their experience. Things don't need to be HUGE PROBLEMS to fix them. The game as it is now is a culmination of thousands of tiny changes to the experience.

Most people agree this is NOT even needed. And it doesnt need a fix, because its not even a problem.

Maybe you have mistaken this for a real world problem where my preference of what I see actually affects real people. If I don't want to see something I don't even have to mention it, just click. Fixed. This isn't oppression or censorship, this is me changing what I see on my own computer. It's not personal, it's not intolerance, it's a graphic setting. It sounds like you need the spoiler here: Those cat/bunny/beefy/lanky people aren't real and their appearance is duplicated hundreds of thousands of times in different fidelitys on hundreds of thousands of computers. This isn't telling someone real they can't dress or present how they want.

Why cant you play the game the way like it is now? It was never needed back in 2013 and it is not needed in 2021.

So they should cancel the expansion in it's entirety until they fix everything? That isn't hyperbolic either, that is exactly what you just said.

Maybe you dont know, but every expansion actually fixed old problems. Like most of the content patches before and after.

[Krotoan]

Then just tell me, how this "Quality of Life"-feature improve the gaming experience? I see it more like a personal cencorship for a minority of the playerbase. If we start adding such things now, it wont stop people to ask for more. Like adding the option to put a headscarf to all female characters.

Nearly all of these are outlined in earlier posts in this thread (one of the things I hate about this discussion is the same arguments get hashed over and over again)
Improved loading times and performance for lower end computers. Less models and textures equals less RAM demands.
Easier identification of others jobs. Once you remove this problem it gets rid of the excuse that jobs need identifiable and restricted sets so it creates the case that glamours should be free for all and not class/job restricted.
Customizable experiences for those who wish to enjoy the story without their cutscenes and world being full of clowns, half naked people, and color clashing nightmares allowing more engagement with the story and your character.

The idea we'd go from "please let me normalize other PCs on my screen" to "sharia law enforcement" (yeah you're not being subtle) is again an incredibly hyperbolic slippery slope. They allowed both genders to marry whomever in the game, we are not asking for a feature to marry our minions now.

Most people agree this is NOT even needed. And it doesnt need a fix, because its not even a problem.

Most people in this thread DO agree it's not NEEDED (though keep in mind this forum is a % of a % of the game population) . But it would be nice. Ignoring everyone however who would like it is just being closed minded because you don't personally care about it.

Why cant you play the game the way like it is now? It was never needed back in 2013 and it is not needed in 2021.

I can and I will. But I support this idea. Again it's not needed and the game can live without it. Never said any different. However just because we could do without something in the past doesn't follow that we shouldn't ever want more or ask for more. You are literally arguing with the boomer mentality (I should know, those were my parents) of "in my day we managed yadda yadda and we were fine!", and that argument is thick-headed as all get out.

Maybe you dont know, but every expansion actually fixed old problems. Like most of the content patches before and after.

Yes but not ALL the problems. Which is what you said. That they need to fix everything before adding ANYTHING new. Let me quote you to show:

3. Before adding new stuff, SE should fix old systems first. Not hard to understand, is it?

But quite provably SE continues to both solve issues and add new things at the same time. This is what a live game service is about. Add new things and work on old problems and slowly improve the game while introducing new content.

It's absolute head-in-the-ground blindness to deny this.

So first and foremost TALKING about a new feature shouldn't be discouraged and arguing that they haven't solved blahblah yet so we shouldn't even consider it is one of the weakest arguments ever.


If you don't like the idea that's fine. Vote no and sleep well in the knowledge that the chances of this being implemented anytime soon let alone ever are likely low. I also will continue to play the game, feature or no, and enjoy it. But like someone who wishes that someday we could have an option to ask for an uber driver who won't try to talk to us, I can continue to discuss it and would like to do so without someone raving about absolute nonsense overblown fearmongering and ignorance about what's actually entailed in making it happen.

[Caitlyn]

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Then lets make it crystal clear, once it for all:

NO to this "feature".

Because:
1. SE doesnt add immersion breaking glamours or gearsets. That means, any combination of gear doesnt break immersion either.
2. it doesnt improve performance or loading times, because characters still need to be loaded.
3. its needs to fix old systems first before adding new features/options/etc. Otherwise its a waste of time and resources.
4. glamours never affect your gameplay. They are just glamours.
5. hopefully, SE still ignoring these forums.
6. there is no problem at all.


Feel free to "argue" about my points, but I wont continue talking to a wall.

I leave this picture of some NPCs (found in the Gold Saucer) here:

[Krotoan]

Feel free to "argue" about my points, but I wont continue talking to a wall.

funny.. I was feeling the same way since you haven't addressed any of the points I mentioned even though I carefully replied to everything you said and will answer and repeat:


1. SE doesnt add immersion breaking glamours or gearsets. That means, any combination of gear doesnt break immersion either.
What SE adds to their game is considered Canon. However when you're playing an RPG, part of that fun is making up your own story and immersing yourself in playing it out. That's what people are talking about. Not canon lore, IMMERSION into their experience. You can play a merchant who only cares about money, you can be a cruel sellsword adventurer who only is out for their own good, you can be a do gooder saint who helps everyone who asks, it's up to the player to interpret the game. If something ruins that experience it is breaking immersion. Please learn the difference.


2. it doesnt improve performance or loading times, because characters still need to be loaded.
Just wrong. Loading fixed models and textures for everyone of a certain race/job means less is loaded into memory, meaning it loads quicker and has more memory to deal with other things. This is basic game programming. One asset multiplied a hundred times is more memory efficient than one hundred different assets loaded once.

3. its needs to fix old systems first before adding new features/options/etc. Otherwise its a waste of time and resources.
They already don't wait to fix old things before adding new things. Again provably this has been the case since the beginning. Again just wrong.

4. glamours never affect your gameplay. They are just glamours.
They affect my enjoyment and engagement with the game. As mentioned before they also technically affect performance.

5. hopefully, SE still ignoring these forums.
you know that means you too right?

6. there is no problem at all.
You might want to bring your head up for air once in a while. All that dirt on top of it is bad for you.

I leave this picture of some NPCs (found in the Gold Saucer) here:

You mean the ones in the entirely optional side content and in no way connected to the MSQ? .. Yeah they're great and add ambiance to the fun and games casino environment. Wouldn't want to take them with me to fight near gods though.


You still don't seem to get the part where being in the game doesn't mean it looks OK to everybody in every scenario eh?

[Snorky]

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2. it doesnt improve performance or loading times, because characters still need to be loaded.
Just wrong. Loading fixed models and textures for everyone of a certain race/job means less is loaded into memory, meaning it loads quicker and has more memory to deal with other things. This is basic game programming. One asset multiplied a hundred times is more memory efficient than one hundred different assets loaded once.

3. its needs to fix old systems first before adding new features/options/etc. Otherwise its a waste of time and resources.
They already don't wait to fix old things before adding new things. Again provably this has been the case since the beginning. Again just wrong.

4. glamours never affect your gameplay. They are just glamours.
They affect my enjoyment and engagement with the game. As mentioned before they also technically affect performance.

5. hopefully, SE still ignoring these forums.
you know that means you too right?

6. there is no problem at all.
You might want to bring your head up for air once in a while. All that dirt on top of it is bad for you.








You mean the ones in the entirely optional side content and in no way connected to the MSQ? .. Yeah they're great and add ambiance to the fun and games casino environment. Wouldn't want to take them with me to fight near gods though.


You still don't seem to get the part where being in the game doesn't mean it looks OK to everybody in every scenario eh?

I just wanted to address your last portion of your statement I know you were speaking to Caitlyn but we are able to examine each other so you can see if that person wearing a bikini or speedo in a dungeon is geared properly. What exactly are people doing when they q for a random dungeon? The way dungeons are speed ran how are is anyone able to rp while doing them? Normally if you are rping you are doing that with a group of like minded individuals not in a random dungeon or publicly crowded area. So again this option isn't really needed I feel it's a waste of time and resource.

[Krotoan]

I just wanted to address your last portion of your statement I know you were speaking to Caitlyn but we are able to examine each other so you can see if that person wearing a bikini or speedo in a dungeon is geared properly. What exactly are people doing when they q for a random dungeon? The way dungeons are speed ran how are is anyone able to rp while doing them? Normally if you are rping you are doing that with a group of like minded individuals not in a random dungeon or publicly crowded area. So again this option isn't really needed I feel it's a waste of time and resource.

What am I doing? Running the instance like a sane person. You know what I'd like though? The first time I run something and am paying attention to the story or the 5th time I'm re-running it to brush up on the story not having to deal with the butt-floss wonder moogle in all the cutscenes and battles.

Rp-ing isn't just pretending with a group of friends, it's a matter of getting into the game and reacting to the story and events as they happen and thinking about what your character that you've fleshed out in your mind would do and playing as such. You don't need to talk, you don't need to have complex emotes setup. You just need to be thinking about how that story makes you feel and how your character feels and be immersed in the moment.

You're making the same mistake here thinking that this happens and I tear my hair out and cry. No.. I sigh and resign myself to being yanked out of the deeper possible experience by someone elses choices because I have no recourse and the story is just a part of playing the game.

I can play the game just fine but it would enhance my experience to have the option

Got it now?

It's not needed. It will never be needed. Just like 100 other things we got that make the game more fun for some people it's not essential for the game to continue.

But it would be nice and I'd like to see it happen and will continue to explain to those who spread ignorant misinformation and false conjecture and hyperbolic flim-flammery what the actual benefits and likely costs or issues may be and what we could do about them.


I'm well aware you think this option is a waste of time and resources since you don't want it, but keep in mind there are hundreds and thousands of people who think the same things about stuff you enjoy that they don't play or use.