Openly admitting to ignoring the players

[Sebazy]

Agreed. Not to mention that it renders healers useless on their own outside of instances. 4 entire jobs in an RPG cannot be played independently in the open world of an MMO is such a joke. On top of that it really disrespects the players that like hybrid playstyle. I think the person you responded to was arguing in bad faith tbh.

Thankfully SE have cold hard experience that doing just this simply doesn't work.

I mained BRD in FFXI, was extremely hardcore into the end game pre CoP. I had pretty much every piece of gear I could want short of a relic (which was an impossibility at the time), yet for me to kill something that gave an amount of exp solo took in the region of about 10-15 minutes. Bards were precisely what these sort of people want healers to be. Pocket enablers to be dragged around and little else. And to the shock of absolutely no one, geared out bard mains were like unicorns. I had my pick of groups and content from the second I logged in to the moment I wanted to sleep because so few people had the mentality to stick with the job and find it enjoyable or rewarding.

That person's suggestion was borderline insulting in my eyes and if these forums weren't so strongly moderated, I'd have some very choice words to offer up in response.

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Agreed, this is something I keep suggesting time and time again and I'm amazed it doesn't gather more momentum.

AST should have the ability to dump it's damage GCDs onto someone else. It's just such an easy solution to so many problems that it really boggles my mind that SE haven't tried it.

It throws another spanner into the works for logs rankings.
It gives the Sylphies something to do that isn't strictly 'DPSing'.
It offers a great illusion of choice for little effort.
If SE keep it as a raw potency buff rather than going back down the % rabbit hole, it wouldn't even be difficult to tune.

Come on Yoshida, of all the suggestions on these boards, this is one of the easiest to do =(

[Saefinn]

Thankfully SE have cold hard experience that doing just this simply doesn't work.

I mained BRD in FFXI, was extremely hardcore into the end game pre CoP. I had pretty much every piece of gear I could want short of a relic (which was an impossibility at the time), yet for me to kill something that gave an amount of exp solo took in the region of about 10-15 minutes. Bards were precisely what these sort of people want healers to be. Pocket enablers to be dragged around and little else. And to the shock of absolutely no one, geared out bard mains were like unicorns. I had my pick of groups and content from the second I logged in to the moment I wanted to sleep because so few people had the mentality to stick with the job and find it enjoyable or rewarding.

That person's suggestion was borderline insulting in my eyes and if these forums weren't so strongly moderated, I'd have some very choice words to offer up in response.

Notice something missing from this job list? (Aside from Dragoon)



I think you are spot on about FFXI BRD and I think it is a fair comparison too... and I too very rarely saw Bard players. Though I know BRD's could be very beneficial to party.

Corsair was one of my mains and I feel like it's the counterpart to this, BRD never appealed to me...pretty much for the reasons you've stated and I think you make a fair comparison. So I never unlocked it.

COR on the other hand had more damage potential than BRD. Heck at a high level COR is capable of some crazy numbers.

But I guess at least now you can summon trusts in FFXI and almost anywhere so it can at least alleviate this problem.

This is what I don't understand about this. If someone wants to CureBot, that's fine, it's their sub. But they are NOT entitled to a group outside of the Duty Finder. Party finder is for like minded people trying to do content a certain way. Their Group, Their Rules (within the boundaries of the game). So fine, be a CureBot, but don't be surprised if you don't get many groups.

Pretty much this. And the great thing about PF is they can form their own group with their own rules too. We don't have to step on each other's toes after all.

The way I see it:

Duty Finder -> you can get everyone and anyone and it's just a roulette of who you get and you expect different levels of skill, approaches and attitudes.
Party Finder -> you can be more specific in the kind of set up you want and recruit people who fit. It's not infallible, but it's still a useful filter.

Duty Finder I think is great for people who are learning and for lower effort content. So you don't really go in with expectations. I mean, you can maybe expect a base level of competence as I think people obviously have a limit for their own patience.