Openly admitting to ignoring the players

[Aword3213]

This sounds good on paper, but then you have to realize that if you fly in the face of your community too long, regardless of whether it's the right choice or not, it's going to be the wrong one. With 6 years of no new healer, the butchering of existing ones, and no end in sight to the slaughter? Now there's nothing SE can do to slake the healing community. They've taken stab after stab after stab that any improvements will now be met with, I'd say well-deserved, skepticism and even passive-aggression.

This is not complaints and a disagreements over a singular patch. This has been brewing for multiple expansions only for it to culminate in a cute twist on "You think you know what you want, but you don't." This will not turn out well. This is a guarantee. Because it has not turned out well for years and there's no reason for that to do a 180 for literally quite no reason. Fire has not become wet in the past eternity and I have no reason to believe that will change tomorrow.

We are witnessing the final breaths of the healing class. I'm done with this boring corpse, I'm gonna go play MNK. The LL for them looked fun. I'll let the green beans handle the healing and, if the queues get too bad, I'll just use trusts.

You know, in case you guys forgot we could be replaced by legal bots.

but DPS and Tanks can also be replaced by Scion,too.What do you mean?

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Well, I said I'm okay with this because I genuinely believe someday they will change their healer design philosophy, be it by adding more dps options or changing the way we heal.

Though i don't like the current state of healers, I do see their effort on adding something more to healers in LL(except SCH, poor SCH).

They said they are building it on 5.0, which means EW is going to be the first expansion we are going to see how they extend their healer design philosophy

Is it going to fail as you said it would? ? Maybe, though I won't say for sure. Maybe they will someday behave like WoW developers, maybe someday they will make amends. But right now if what they say they are building on 5.0 iteration of healer is true, I'm willing to keep my hopes up.

[Kabooa]

but DPS and Tanks can also be replaced by Scion,too.What do you mean?

No, but it's different, you see.

I don't know how, but it is.

[BrokentoothMarch]

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Am I saying it's impossible they surprise me? Of course not. However, we both must admit that being told nearly outright that they will be ignoring our disdain for these changes while revealing no alternative nor extending any olive branch has good cause to dishearten some and enrage others. If they have something in the works to change the course of where healers are going, this is a very poor way of saying it. Even simply acknowledging the complaints in good faith would have been better, as it's been becoming something of a meme that healers simply get ignored.

Instead? They shush us.

This is a pretty blatant show that they intend to stay the course so many of us have complained about. If they stay this course, then this will fail. That much is guaranteed. If they change things, then naturally I can no longer be certain what the future of healer balance is. I desperately want the latter case to happen, but they seem to refuse to do this. Even if tomorrow they changed everything, we're still going to have malcontents. Rightfully so because, once again, six years of being ignored, going on seven, is not something you can recover from by just doing everything you were supposed to do in the first place (Be it giving the changes the community desires or changing the philosophy that plagues this archetype in another way). We do not reward the man who removes rats from our home if he's the one who released them in the first place.

Sadly, after so long, we can no longer have any faith in "Maybe's" or "Hope". I can hope that the ground one day turns to gold, but you'd know better, yes? You'd call me silly and damn rightfully so. This is quickly approaching that level of morbid consistency.


As for the tangent with the Trusts: You can replace DPS and Tanks with the Scions, but we both can't sit here and pretend like they're any good at it. I've wiped when I healed my Trusts because the DPS' are laughably incompetent (I'm going to sit outside the hit zone and do literally nothing the entire time) and the Tank ones have done outright bizarre behaviors with enough reliability that I'd honestly save myself the pain and teach a green bean how to tank with how much less painful that'd be. The healer, however? Never messes up. Never skips a beat. Though, to be fair, how can you mess up 3 buttons?

Admittedly anecdotal on that last bit, but the experience has left me no less embittered as this was seen as a favorable alternative to just... making the needed jobs more enticing to try, whether it be healer OR tank. Tanks being an archetype that seem to be noticing similar undesirable changes that healers have been undergoing.

No, but it's different, you see.

I don't know how, but it is.

Very helpful passive-aggression, but it's considered good form to wait for a response before you start madly chomping at someone who has to critically think for you. Would you care tackling the bulk of the argument instead of needling at the convenient one or are you just here to start fights?

[Kabooa]

Very helpful passive-aggression, but it's considered good form to wait for a response before you start madly chomping at someone who has to critically think for you. Would you care tackling the bulk of the argument instead of needling at the convenient one or are you just here to start fights?

Oh boy, anecdotal evidence is thinking critically.

Love it.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Oh boy, anecdotal evidence is thinking critically.

Love it.

So the answer to that was "I'm just here to start fights."

You must be fun at parties.

[Kabooa]

So the answer to that was "I'm just here to start fights."

You must be fun at parties.

If the forums were only filled with polite discussion and well tailored arguments, no one would be here.

As for your arguments - Opinions, more like - What exactly do you want me to counter? That Trust wipes are nearly solely on the player? That SE has to consider more than an overly vocal minority on the forums? You'll have to forgive me - I don't see rants as something worth "critically thinking" about.

You're more than entitled to be disappointed about the recent announcements, I know I am. I understand it, but you say silly things like the Trust Party specifically being to replace healers when that couldn't be further from the truth, you're going to get a little snark.

[BrokentoothMarch]

If the forums were only filled with polite discussion and well tailored arguments, no one would be here.

As for your arguments - Opinions, more like - What exactly do you want me to counter? That Trust wipes are nearly solely on the player? That SE has to consider more than an overly vocal minority on the forums? You'll have to forgive me - I don't see rants as something worth "critically thinking" about.

You're more than entitled to be disappointed about the recent announcements, I know I am. I understand it, but you say silly things like the Trust Party specifically being to replace healers when that couldn't be further from the truth, you're going to get a little snark.

You continue to needle on the Trust tangent because you have nothing else. You're being snarky and hyperfocusing on that because you know any deviation from that is going to require an actual response, whether you can trump it or not. You're arguing in bad faith, as you only seek to "Win", not discuss and tackle the problems that are objectively present. There has been statistical dissatisfaction for healer changes, especially AST, back in the survey done in SB. Will that be dismissed as "Well, only a minority did that test?"

The biggest issue is I can't even try to handle your own stance because all you've done is mock and focus on an irrelevant complaint. One that I fully admitted was irrelevant and am even willing to say should not have been written, as I'm still going off the bitterness of what we've been dealing with as not only players, but paying customers. There's nothing for me to debate, rebuke, or discuss with you because all you have is base mockery. Not "a little snark" as you attempt to make it out so cutely.

Sadly, as much as I'd rather not start making enemies, you have nothing of value to say and clearly are only here to spark hostilities as you've proven with not one, not two, but three posts. I wish you the best in your endeavors and genuinely hope you enjoy the game where it's going. I am not. And I am going to discuss why I am not. However, just not with you.

Dismiss this as "Oh, ignoring me because I disagree" if you wish. I can't see that attitude stopping just yet.

[ItMe]

If the forums were only filled with polite discussion and well tailored arguments, no one would be here.

Sure I would.
Being able to talk with people about a thing I like is what brings me here.

[Kabooa]

Sure I would.
That's the stuff that brings me here.

I wish I could say the same - Day after the liveletter I was looking forward to see what sort of speculation and discussion might be had.

But as should be expected, it was full of Scholoton memes. Rightfully so, mind you.

[Aword3213]

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this happened to me though. Your experience of Trusts led you to think that way and I'm sorry I could not understand it, nor agree with that healers can be easily replaced by AI.



However, though I understand you sentiment, I don't think we're being ignored. They talked about complexity for healers. They knew exactly what we want, but they decided not to give what we having been asking for. Apparently, what we want are against their designs and they don't like it. They changed healer design by choice, not by ignorance. They know what we're asking for and EW is their answer.