Openly admitting to ignoring the players

[Payadopa]

Look, on some level I agree--shortbus people do matter, but let's not pretend there isn't a happy medium between 1-button spam and something closer to the dynamic and fun design we had in 4.0.

What I'd love to see is options. I have nothing against "Very Easy" but at least allow me to choose "Hard" as well when going into an MSQ battle etc.

I do everything min ilvl if I can get away with it and the trials are mad fun. Dungeons on the other hand... I'm glad they stopped giving us three per patch.

And one thing in XI hated was macros. Gear swapping for every ability. No, thanks.

[ForteNightshade]

You guys are so focused on making the game harder for you when it’s not about you. It’s about the players who don’t want to treat this like a job and still do optimal dps with not extreme amounts of effort

There's a middle ground between Ultimate level difficulty and "do you have a pulse?" Currently, most content can be easily handled by a single healer. And even they would still primarily spam their nuke. The outgoing damage is simply far, far too low.

It isn't about making the game harder but putting a greater emphasis on healing. Players who choose to play healer either want to, ya know, heal or have a more robust DPS rotation so they at least have something engaging to focus on.

[MellowMink]

Does anybody else find it extremely weird that Miasma 2 just doesn't exist in the game for even a single job now? We jump from 1 to 3, and there's nothing between those...

[Aword3213]

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this happened to me though. Your experience of Trusts led you to think that way and I'm sorry I could not understand it, nor agree with that healers can be easily replaced by AI.



However, though I understand you sentiment, I don't think we're being ignored. They talked about complexity for healers. They knew exactly what we want, but they decided not to give what we having been asking for. Apparently, what we want are against their designs and they don't like it. They changed healer design by choice, not by ignorance. They know what we're asking for and EW is their answer.

[Alpheus]

Does anybody else find it extremely weird that Miasma 2 just doesn't exist in the game for even a single job now? We jump from 1 to 3, and there's nothing between those...

The roman numerals on spells only exist for the English language of the game I believe because Koji and other localization leads will it to be so, so it's probably an oversight due to it if the respective names in the other languages probably gave it a -ra or -aga suffix so even if it's skipping an intermediary spell, it probably still makes sense in those languages because one still comes before the other with the latter spell simply given a higher tier suffix so the logic is still maintained.

[Neoyoshi]

When they openly admit and state that they are aware of the interest and love of the older style of play from the previous game builds, but believe the current game build is best for the game's future growth as a whole; I'm not hearing ignoring folk or neglect; instead I'm hearing a parental figure firmly letting their children know that they know what's best for the game they are playing.

Not giving in to the wants and desires of people is not the same thing as neglect.

Yoshi-P wants to add another 10 years to this game; so going backwards now is exactly the same type of mistakes Blizzard made with World of Warcraft; when they transitioned from the very mainstream and user-friendly gameplay of Wraith of the Lich King; to the difficulty spike not-felt-since-TBC and learning curve of Cataclysm.

Sometimes you have to trust that the developers know what is best for their own game in the long term.

[Semirhage]

When they openly admit and state that they are aware of the interest and love of the older style of play from the previous game builds, but believe the current game build is best for the game's future growth as a whole; I'm not hearing ignoring folk or neglect; instead I'm hearing a parental figure firmly letting their children know that they know what's best for the game they are playing.

Not giving in to the wants and desires of people is not the same thing as neglect.

Yoshi-P wants to add another 10 years to this game; so going backwards now is exactly the same type of mistakes Blizzard made with World of Warcraft; when they transitioned from the very mainstream and user-friendly gameplay of Wraith of the Lich King; to the difficulty spike not-felt-since-TBC and learning curve of Cataclysm.

Sometimes you have to trust that the developers know what is best for their own game in the long term.

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Whatever is "best" for the game's future, that sure looks like a double dose of Ambien to me.

[BrokentoothMarch]

When they openly admit and state that they are aware of the interest and love of the older style of play from the previous game builds, but believe the current game build is best for the game's future growth as a whole; I'm not hearing ignoring folk or neglect; instead I'm hearing a parental figure firmly letting their children know that they know what's best for the game they are playing.

Not giving in to the wants and desires of people is not the same thing as neglect.

Yoshi-P wants to add another 10 years to this game; so going backwards now is exactly the same type of mistakes Blizzard made with World of Warcraft; when they transitioned from the very mainstream and user-friendly gameplay of Wraith of the Lich King; to the difficulty spike not-felt-since-TBC and learning curve of Cataclysm.

Sometimes you have to trust that the developers know what is best for their own game in the long term.

So I'm paying for a parent to preach to me about something objectively wrong?

I can just move back in and get that for free. I'm sorry, but it is not good enough an argument to say "dev good. Do trust dev." Just because you're the creator doesn't inherently mean you know what you are doing and we have ample evidence of that both in and outside of FFXIV.

Hell, with SCH they admitted themselves they don't know what to do despite insisting otherwise in the same breath. This is not a parent, which is good because we don't need one. This is someone who is confused who is desperate to keep up the act that they are not.

[Sebazy]

Jesus Christ

"You are underperforming if you are not using a macro on Scholar basically"

Is this guy for real or was the healer gameplay actually that bad? Using a macro to achieve optimal gameplay? How can anyone want that type of playstyle?

Much <3 for Ashe, always had fun times healing alongside him whilst my group was on a mid tier hiatus, this clip has me laughing every time it pops up, group dieing? NP, Just glare the problem away!

Back on topic, I used the macro thing during ARR and when healer DPS wasn't really a consideration it was indeed pretty potent. I used to have embrace macroed to my target with heals whilst my nukes and dots embraced the target of my target, the idea being to force the fairy to pump those embraces into the tank where you'd get the most value from them. Teammates would generally get topped by the next Whispering Dawn anyway.

Once it became clear I was going to get drafted back into world prog on SCH for Heavensward for a bit I did some experimentation and practice and promptly realised these macros were costing me around 1 to 2 GCDs per minute with how poorly they queued.

This spurred on trying various methods such as pedals and mouse wheel spinning before I eventually settled on a macro keypad emulating a gamepad so I could mash a button with my thumb to focus Embraces on the party member of my choice.

Sometimes you have to trust that the developers know what is best for their own game in the long term.

3.0 AST, 3.5 WHM, 4.0 SCH (and AST to a lesser degree for the strange backwards QoL step it took) and 5.0 SCH suggest otherwise.

I'm sure Yoshida's vision is absolutely fine, that's not the problem however. The issue is that the seemingly still 4 or 5 strong battle system design team just doesn't have the depth of talent to keep up with the increased job complexity, larger overall number of jobs and a player base that is getting ever better at optimising and min maxing.

[E4EO]

Sometimes you have to trust that the developers know what is best for their own game in the long term.

Trust? How? SE Has neglected healers for over two years, leaving them to be 1 button meme jobs with a bunch of oGCD's, how can we trust them at all now? After what we saw in Shb and in the live letter?

Also, dumbing down healers is only good in the short term, this isn't even a good long term decision for the players or the only thing SE cares about, money. Eventually people will start to get sick of healers, and more and more and more people will cancel their subs, people are already rightfully pissed off with SCH, how long til everyone is sick of the others? Mid way through EW? I certainly hope so