Thread: DoH levellng with 6.0 changes

Originally Posted by VelKallor

There are a few crafter quests that require an hq product to complete.

There are many crafter quests that require you to craft an HQ product, but they can all be done starting with NQ materials. Easily so if your gear is up to date.
It is only 4-star and Expert recipes that can be troublesome, and those are not required for any of the normal crafter quests.

If I'm understanding what they said correctly, the non-HQ thing applies only to raw ingredients such as ore and skins. You can then craft HQ processed materials to use when crafting a finished item. I've been trying to figure out why they decided to do this since "saving inventory space" doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. I'm willing to bet that they're hoping to combat gathering bots somehow by making this change as we won't "need" to buy huge stacks of HQ raw materials to reliably craft that quest item we need to reliably HQ.

Originally Posted by Tint

While this is of course relevant for Levequests, the bonus exp for the craft itself is not given for making HQ items but for filling up the quality gauge with your actions. By using all HQ materials you are basically lowering the amount of exp you can possibly get for a single craft by half.

I guess a close comparision would be collectibles.

Originally Posted by Deceptus

That's not accurate at all.

You got the same exp regardless as long as the end result was HQ.

This is incorrect.

Originally Posted by Illmaeran

If I'm understanding what they said correctly, the non-HQ thing applies only to raw ingredients such as ore and skins. You can then craft HQ processed materials to use when crafting a finished item. I've been trying to figure out why they decided to do this since "saving inventory space" doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. I'm willing to bet that they're hoping to combat gathering bots somehow by making this change as we won't "need" to buy huge stacks of HQ raw materials to reliably craft that quest item we need to reliably HQ.

Expanded inventory is a pretty common request. At the very least, it does work towards that goal by reducing the number of different items someone may have to carry around.

There's also probably some measure of time saving on the development end to not have to create a HQ version of every material they add in a patch or expansion. Even if it only takes a minute of time for a developer to add a HQ item, that could shave off hours of work better applied elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I'm willing to bet that they're hoping to combat gathering bots somehow by making this change as we won't "need" to buy huge stacks of HQ raw materials to reliably craft that quest item we need to reliably HQ.

I doubt it. The bots are fine selling NQ.

Most likely this change is to combat inventory bloat. With the amount of crafting materials in the game and hundreds more coming in Endwalker, we just don't have room anymore for doubling the number further with the HQ/NQ divide.

My guess is that the NQ and HQ items were previously being treated as separate items in the various tables, instead of HQ being an attribute of the item on the same table. If they're trying to cut down the total number of items, then removing base HQ raw materials is one way to do that. Hypothetically, those kind of data tables are infinite, but if you're trying to optimize, you still want to keep the number of lines the system has to search to a minimum, and removing HQ raw mats would instantly halve it.

They're not being removed from the database altogether but they're being removed from the marketboard and you'll have to manually downgrade items before you can sell them as NQ.

Originally Posted by Iscah

They're not being removed from the database altogether but they're being removed from the marketboard and you'll have to manually downgrade items before you can sell them as NQ.

I would imagine this is step one of a multi-step process, similar to how they phase out tomestones. First they remove the ability to get more, but allow players to trade in any HQ items they still have. A future patch will probably remove them from the game entirely.

Originally Posted by VelKallor

Levelling a crafter depends a lot on HQ mats, Ive read the liveletter and I have a friend who is not sure what this means, as they are still working on their crafters.

Will that make crafting HQ items harder?

As we all know, the more hq mats for an item, the better your chance to hq the finished item.

So, anyone got anything on this? Im kinda confused.

Leveling a crafter does not depend on HQ mats. I don't know where you got this idea.

Things will be fine without HQ mats. Everyone will still be able to level. They'll just have to work a little harder to get HQ.

Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I would imagine the difficulty of crafting HQ items is adjusted accordingly with the removal of HQ raw materials.

But the removed HQ items are things you would get from gathering as the DoL jobs, from mob drops, or bought from merchants.

Nothing needs to be adjusted. Final products don't need to be HQ to reward XP.