Smn Rework Suggestions After LL

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I mean if you want to be pedantic sure, but if they only used JUST Rydia and Yuna's moves that would make for one boring as hell summoner. Of course other things need to be brought into supplement that.

Yes other things need to be brought in to supplement the summon having one big move, the problem is the things they bring in have nothing to do with summoning. In ARR it was arcanist as the “sub job”, in heavensward it was trance turning the summoner into another caster, Stormblood/shadowbringers were my personal favourites because they made it about summoning, the egi became that filler while the demis were the burst, but the job still had arcanist and trance hanging off it from ARR and HW. Now it’s taking a step back and going back to trance style gameplay rather than a step forward going towards more demi-primals.

I mean they probably absolutely could, but to me at least that would very much cheapen the power and rush of bringing out Bahamut and Phoenix. Summoner has always been about having a burst and when you play a burst class you're supposed to be building up to big moments where you unleash your most powerful abilities. Making them like Demi's would just make Summoner feel more like Black Mage, a more steady consistent damage dealer. Which there is nothing wrong with that, but I don't think that was their aim. Plus also there is the whole Bahamut/Phoenix have always been treated as special summons in the Final Fantasy lore, in XIV especially.

Not necessarily, again, even if they just made it so carbuncle was doing the attack it would make a world of difference, especially now that he literally stands there doing nothing. E.G. after you summon gemi Titan to use earthen fury, carbuncle gains an Earth infusion and will cast Earth clap whenever you cast ruin. Same basic principle as what they’re going for but now it’s actually related to summoning.

This is a lot of conjecture here, for many summoner players, trance mage Heavensward and Stormblood Summoner is there favorite iteration of the job (this also brings up one of the biggest issues with any proposed summoner rework, which is that the summoner player base has never been very unified in what it wants), and I don't think I ever saw the dev team come out and say, "Yeah we are having trouble with pets, so here's a whole new mechanic so we hope y'all forget about em." And I don't know how you can say they were moving away from trances, when instead many people were advocating for the Dreadwyrm trance system to get the same treatment as the Firebird Trance system. And It looks like that is what happen.

It’s not conjecture. They talked about it in live letters a couple of times but everything got drowned in talk about egi glams. However back in ARR they didn’t want to buff pets out of fear that it would be too complicated for new players and decided that they wanted to improve summoner by giving power to the summoner rather than adding more egi which were struggling due to various factors.

I also wanted them to give DW trance the firebird treatment, that would be moving away from trance, what they’ve done is not give DW trance the firebird treatment but made both DW and firebird a hybrid of demi and trance. Rather than removing deathflare in favour of having demi Bahamut using ahk morn, they have made it so we use both and then given us some equivalent trance move during firebird.

I agree entirely, aesthetics are extremely important. To me this Summoner has maybe the best aesthetics of any of the jobs out there, and judging by the largely extremely positive reaction most fans are giving it on social media, many feel the same. I'm not saying your dislike of it is invalid, I'm just saying they went another way on the aesthetics, but they definitely in no way ignored them. If anything they put serious work into them.

What they have that is related to summoning is great, I love what they’ve done, the gemi primals look great, their attack animations too. What I don’t love is what is NOT related to summoning, I don’t love the summoner charging into melee range and punching the enemy or casting deathflare. I don’t love carbuncle doing nothing. And it didn’t need to be this way, all of these attacks could have just been merged into moves performed by a summon and I don’t know why I need to explain why that would be more suitable on a job named summoner.