Smn Rework Suggestions After LL

[Miemi]

People are definitely making premature judgment. We know the basic flow of combat and we won't know more until the embargo is up from the media tour.

We are discussing exactly what they showed us, and they showed enough for us to have a general idea and even theorize about a possible rotation.

It's more likely that what they showed us is what we’ll get, to me it’s unlikely that they're so behind in development they didn't have half the spell book ready to show us, or that they intentionally choose not to show half the spells available. They can change cooldowns or potencies, but adding more spells? No, if that happens it's going to be in 6.1.

true but as you've said, that single-target spell won't add much, it will still be same rotation for that part

Yes, exactly, thank God I'm not crazy.

6.0 has no cast timers save for 4 GCDs. 1.5s casts with nothing to weave is concerning, there’s no reason to be this mobile with so few oGCDs. (and current SMN already is mobile, but with resource management.) Cooldowns feel like nothing, just free damage to spam... and with that mobility + utility I can assure you, dmg will be rightfully nerfed.

6.0 looks like it has the least amount of buttons on any DPS job. A concerning amount for a lvl 90 job kit, it looks like the easiest job the game has ever had. If this is a lvl 90 job, how’s leveling going to be like? For a lvl 50 job it would be absolutely great, but a lvl 90? Very lacking.


The primals and animations are great, but pretty animations is not what keeps people interested. Doing nothing but pressing 1- 2 in slightly different orders won’t keep people interested. Ofc by “people” I mean SMN mains.

This is literally easier/less busy than a DNC, and at least DNC has procs. Nothing against DNCs, what I’m trying to say is that if we wanted that kind of playstyle, we wouldn’t be maining SMN/Caster. We need jobs like Dancer, but not every job has to be like Dancer. A caster shouldn't play like a Physical Ranged. There should be jobs for everybody. Want something more complex or busy? Play SAM. Want something more easy and less busy? Play RDM. I play other jobs besides SMN, but there are reasons why I chose to main SMN, and they're removing those reasons. It hurts.

[rewd]

We are discussing exactly what they showed us, and they showed enough for us to have a general idea and even theorize about a possible rotation.

It's more likely that what they showed us is what we’ll get, to me it’s unlikely that they're so behind in development they didn't have half the spell book ready to show us, or that they intentionally choose not to show half the spells available. They can change cooldowns or potencies, but adding more spells? No, if that happens it's going to be in 6.1.



Yes, exactly, thank God I'm not crazy.

6.0 has no cast timers save for 4 GCDs. 1.5s casts with nothing to weave is concerning, there’s no reason to be this mobile with so few oGCDs. (and current SMN already is mobile, but with resource management.)

6.0 looks like it has the least amount of buttons on any DPS job. A concerning amount for a lvl 90 job kit, it looks like the easiest job the game has ever had. If this is a lvl 90 job, how’s leveling going to be like? For a lvl 50 job it would be absolutely great, but a lvl 90? Very lacking.


The primals and animations are great, but pretty animations is not what keeps people interested. Doing nothing but pressing 1- 2 in slightly different orders won’t keep people interested. Ofc by “people” I mean SMN mains.

This is literally easier/less busy than a DNC, and at least DNC has procs. Nothing against DNCs, what I’m trying to say is that if we wanted that kind of playstyle, we wouldn’t be maining SMN/Caster. We need jobs like Dancer, but not every job has to be like Dancer. A caster shouldn't play like a Physical Ranged. There should be jobs for everybody. Want something more complex or busy? Play SAM. Want something more easy and less busy? Play RDM. I play other jobs besides SMN, but there are reasons why I chose to main SMN, and they're removing those reasons.

Yeah, it's a shame. The foundation of the job is good, but it's empty. It's dangerously close to healers DPS "complexity". The bulk of the rotation is literally four buttons.

[Videra]

it looks like the easiest job the game has ever had.

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