Smn Rework Suggestions After LL

[MagiusNecros]

Well Summoner is going to have...

Ruin series of spells
Outburst (AoE damage skill) upgrade
Carbuncle support skills ( Some kind of shield as well as a Carbuncle version of devotion)
5 summons with their own elemental themed attacks/actions for the Summoner
Aetherflow generator skills that proc a buff for a single use of Ruin 4
Fester and Painflare
Enkindle Bahamut/Phoenix
Physick and Resurrection
Deathflare as an action under Bahamut
New active buff under Phoenix

What Summoner seems to have lost...

All DoTs
Tridisaster
Dreadwyrm/Phoenix Trance
Use of standard Egi's and their skills.
Egi Assaults

Everything revolves completely around summoning now.

Which makes you wonder how the leveling progress will be for new players.

It's really looking at endgame that there is going to be a gameplay loop of a 5 summon system with Bahamut/Phoenix refreshing Ifrit/Titan/Garuda.

[MercuryD]

Well Summoner is going to have...

Ruin series of spells
Outburst (AoE damage skill) upgrade
Carbuncle support skills ( Some kind of shield as well as a Carbuncle version of devotion)
5 summons with their own elemental themed attacks/actions for the Summoner
Aetherflow generator skills that proc a buff for a single use of Ruin 4
Fester and Painflare
Enkindle Bahamut/Phoenix
Physick and Resurrection
Deathflare as an action under Bahamut
New active buff under Phoenix

What Summoner seems to have lost...

All DoTs
Tridisaster
Dreadwyrm/Phoenix Trance
Use of standard Egi's and their skills.
Egi Assaults

Everything revolves completely around summoning now.

Which makes you wonder how the leveling progress will be for new players.

It's really looking at endgame that there is going to be a gameplay loop of a 5 summon system with Bahamut/Phoenix refreshing Ifrit/Titan/Garuda.

This is a good breakdown. My only (possible) correction is we won't be LOSING DWT/FBT we will learn it which gives us access to new skills/a finisher (like they already do before you get demis) and when we get the demi it will be summoned along with trance.

Also, Tridisaster is still there, it's a straight damage aoe attack. It upgrades to Astral Impact under DWT just like Outburst changes to Flames of purgatory under FBT

So we have 2 summon trances, 3 elemental phases.

[Caitlyn]

They should replace Phoenix with Alexander.

Why do we need a fire bird, when we got Ifrit already?

[Roda]

They should replace Phoenix with Alexander.

Why do we need a fire bird, when we got Ifrit already?

demi Odin, melee 3 hit combos with continuation style ogcs.

[Baxcel]

They should replace Phoenix with Alexander.

Why do we need a fire bird, when we got Ifrit already?

Because Pheonix is the opposite of Bahamut in this game.. Bahamut represents death, destruction and fear as shown by the calamity and the fear his resurrection brought including his shade in Lunar..

Where as Pheonix is life, revival and hope.. given to those still on the battlefield when Granpa Lui faced Bahamut in the end.. an again in the coils.. pheonix is more a light representation to the dark shadow given by Bahamut

Least that's how I think of it ^^;;

[MagiusNecros]

I see what you are talking about. With the Ruin 3/Outburst upgrades. But the Dreadwyrm trance that was previously used to build up for the Bahamut summon seems to be gone entirely.

Rotation primarily is going to be Bahamut > ITG > Phoenix > ITG and then it repeats. The trio is going to offset the 40 second CD that both Bahamut and Phoenix have.

The Summoner job questline is going to get very weird I think.

[MercuryD]

I see what you are talking about. With the Ruin 3/Outburst upgrades. But the Dreadwyrm trance that was previously used to build up for the Bahamut summon seems to be gone entirely.

Rotation primarily is going to be Bahamut > ITG > Phoenix > ITG and then it repeats. The trio is going to offset the 40 second CD that both Bahamut and Phoenix have.

The Summoner job questline is going to get very weird I think.

I'm going to do the whole story again pre-EW then post-EW.

[tribo]

I would have seen it like that.

Sum bahamut>Garuda-Titan-ifrit.

Sum phoenix>Ramuh-Shiva-Leviathan

The power is the same. Only the glam changes.

[SchrodingersWaffle]

I would have seen it like that.

Sum bahamut>Garuda-Titan-ifrit.

Sum phoenix>Ramuh-Shiva-Leviathan

The power is the same. Only the glam changes.

This but with actual mechanical changes between Ifirit-Titan-Garuda and Levi-Ramuh-Shiva. Ah well. Maybe in 7.0

[Exodus-E]

I would have seen it like that.

Sum bahamut>Garuda-Titan-ifrit.

Sum phoenix>Ramuh-Shiva-Leviathan

The power is the same. Only the glam changes.

Or they could simply allow us to change what "jewels" we want through Egi glamours.
That could be perfectly feasible during 6.X (if they ever get around to completing it).