Broil

[VeolE]

No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.

Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

But honestly give me your honest answer. Why should Healers not Optimize/DPS and should only heal?
What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER. And all they can do is just "heal." So what if the party DON'T NEED ANY HEALING, so now you got your downtime to DPS... but wait... the buttons aren't there. What do you do now? Sit there and look pretty until someone takes 0.01% damage and spam your heals? Or what, because you definitely don't want to overheal.

[EaMett]

Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

But honestly give me your honest answer. Why should Healers not Optimize/DPS and should only heal?
What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER. And all they can do is just "heal." So what if the party DON'T NEED ANY HEALING, so now you got your downtime to DPS... but wait... the buttons aren't there. What do you do now? Sit there and look pretty until someone takes 0.01% damage and spam your heals? Or what, because you definitely don't want to overheal.

They're trolling. Don't waste your time.

[Liam_Harper]

Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

Ignore it.

They're a classic example of the current healer playerbase, who picked up the class as a low-effort free ticket into endgame raids and content. They will aggressively resist any engagement being added to a class they only use as an easy-mode. They'll also jump through mental hoops trying to justify why a lazy, healbot or 1 button spam playstyle is somehow "better".

It's a symptom of simplifying the class too much and demonstrates why it's bad design. Healers don't play healer to enjoy healing in itself anymore. Lazy people play healer to avoid having to play a class.

[GrimGale]

Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing does not equate into healers needing some kind of elaborate dos rotation.

And here is the rub again: an organized group that has an encounter on farm mode can minimize dmg by doing the encounter flawlessly because they know how to do all the mechanics properly. Join any duty finder group and all of that falls away.

YOU said "healers need an elaborate rotation".

YOU made you whole argument on a thing you said healers wanted.

People on this thread simply do not want be stuck spamming Glare/Broil. Does that mean they want an "elaborate DPS rotation"?

AST doesn't need a DPS rotation. It has the card game. (Which incidentally keeps getting simplified further and further reducing the attention the player has to devote to it.)
Not all alternatives to healing downtime must be "more dps buttons."
You have plenty of class fantasy to design abilities for healers to focus on when not healing.

SCH= Finding weaknesses, Debuffs, exploits, tactical positions and formations.
WHM= Summoning elementals, blessings, geomancy, traps, terrain based buffs/debuffs. Powerful elemental attacks.
AST=Manipulating buffs, extending durations, royal road, time magic, empowering buffs, slowing enemies.

In short, utility! Anything that helps the party that isn't healing.

[Boizinho]

Ignore it.

They're a classic example of the current healer playerbase, who picked up the class as a low-effort free ticket into endgame raids and content. They will aggressively resist any engagement being added to a class they only use as an easy-mode. They'll also jump through mental hoops trying to justify why a lazy, healbot or 1 button spam playstyle is somehow "better".

It's a symptom of simplifying the class too much and demonstrates why it's bad design. Healers don't play healer to enjoy healing in itself anymore. Lazy people play healer to avoid having to play a class.

It's actually kind of funny, in my experience they've made the healer spot for PF groups pretty competitive. Every group is always waiting for a tank, people are actually very quick to snatch up the "spectator mode" spot.

[ItMe]

What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER.

Then, as a healer, I would legit try and optimize my auto attacks.

Still got a DPS option I can milk.
And with me not pressing buttons for minutes at a time I 100% would.
Heck, some might prefer this and think it reminds them of FF11.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

In the time it took you to type out the 40 or posts you've made about how "I don't wanna learn" you could have easily just learned your opener and made it muscle memory. Ruin II is just used to get a chance to use oGCDs, the real "opener" for scholar is put up Chain Stratagem -> Biolysis -> dump your aetherflow -> Dissipation -> dump your aetherflow again.

You said you plan to get into Savage, but with your attitude you're going to get to your first clock position protean, overlap with someone, then say "SE please remove clock positions I don't wanna be east."

I find it funny you don’t think I’ve learned the opener for sch. I already know it and how to dump all my AF while under CS. I just hate the play style and I hate that I’m forced to dump my healing resources for some optimal dps bull. I can learn openers and rotations I just don’t enjoy it.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

But honestly give me your honest answer. Why should Healers not Optimize/DPS and should only heal?
What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER. And all they can do is just "heal." So what if the party DON'T NEED ANY HEALING, so now you got your downtime to DPS... but wait... the buttons aren't there. What do you do now? Sit there and look pretty until someone takes 0.01% damage and spam your heals? Or what, because you definitely don't want to overheal.

I’m fine with broil and CS but ED should be removed.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Ignore it.

They're a classic example of the current healer playerbase, who picked up the class as a low-effort free ticket into endgame raids and content. They will aggressively resist any engagement being added to a class they only use as an easy-mode. They'll also jump through mental hoops trying to justify why a lazy, healbot or 1 button spam playstyle is somehow "better".

It's a symptom of simplifying the class too much and demonstrates why it's bad design. Healers don't play healer to enjoy healing in itself anymore. Lazy people play healer to avoid having to play a class.

Honestly you are not wrong I sorta agree with this. It’s why I don’t want a dps rotation for healers. I love broil spam while I just focus on dodging mechanics listening to some Spotify and watching the fight play out while I spam broil.

[Fawkes]

Maybe it would be a good idea to increase the duration of DoTs and make that the healer's primary source of DPS. That way you'd just have to press one button every couple minutes instead of spamming a button the whole time. It's like a quality of life update.